US/Greenland - charm offensive fails but.......

Allira

^If you have resources that others want you have to defend them^

A country such as the USA should not be threatening them such that they need to defend themselves!

If a country has resources that others would like then they can sell those resources, lease some of the land or just say no, we will consider our options.

Exactly!

We cannot revert to the law of the jungle - as Trump appears to be doing, both in the USA, the Middle East and his allies like Canada and Greenland etc.

Allira

fancythat

Greenlanders are Danish. I would have thought that Denmark will need to play a big part in what they want to do.

Greenlanders want to be independent but, for the time being, they might be better off as an autonomous territory of Denmsrk with the benefits that brings.

I cant see how they can become independent unless they can support themselves.

Allira

^If you have resources that others want you have to defend them^

A country such as the USA should not be threatening them such that they need to defend themselves!

If a country has resources that others would like then they can sell those resources, lease some of the land or just say no, we will consider our options.

Good points.

Since when has the US become an aggressor?

Allira

Your analogy with a town in the UK just does not work David49

Why not, if a gold mine is discovered and they want the benefits

"A country such as the USA should not be threatening them such that they need to defend themselves!"

Well said Allira.

fancythat

Allira

fancythat

Greenlanders are Danish. I would have thought that Denmark will need to play a big part in what they want to do.

Greenlanders want to be independent but, for the time being, they might be better off as an autonomous territory of Denmsrk with the benefits that brings.

I cant see how they can become independent unless they can support themselves.

Why could they not support themselves with all the supposed wealth that Trump wants to grab for free?

David49

Allira

Your analogy with a town in the UK just does not work David49

Why not, if a gold mine is discovered and they want the benefits

Because no town in the UK is a self-governing, autonomous country with its own King as head of state with its own government and parliament.

Greenland is all of the above.
Staines isn't.

Churchview
Quite!

David49 I live in a small town and I've just ordered a metal detector 😂😂😂
If I find any gold I intend to declare this town independent!

The US's empire building greed is perfectly obvious: it would end up as an exploited "state" within the US, they are better sticking with Denmark for now -imo -

Yes, sorry MaizieD, if it wasn't clear - that was what I meant. The USA are using the politics of East End gangsters

Allira

Churchview
Quite!

David49 I live in a small town and I've just ordered a metal detector 😂😂😂
If I find any gold I intend to declare this town independent!

You'd better have a good security force, because if you find that gold David will march in with his heavies and take possession...

Because if someone has something you want it's apparently fine to extort it from them...

Chocolatelovinggran

Yes, sorry MaizieD, if it wasn't clear - that was what I meant. The USA are using the politics of East End gangsters

No worries. As Trump seems to be threatening Greenland with China and Russia, too the analogy works both ways...

MaizieD

Allira

Churchview
Quite!

David49 I live in a small town and I've just ordered a metal detector 😂😂😂
If I find any gold I intend to declare this town independent!

You'd better have a good security force, because if you find that gold David will march in with his heavies and take possession...

Because if someone has something you want it's apparently fine to extort it from them...

It's ok, MaizieD, we have previous round here.

The likes of David49 and his heavies don't scare us!

David49

Vance isn’t exactly diplomatic for sure, with only 55k population Greenland isnt a viable nation they cannot possibly defend themselves, or even exist independantly.
It costs Denmark £500m to support them, the US has largely been responsible for security through NATO, Greenland has been freeloading on US too.

Strategically someone has got to control Greenlands security Denmark or even Europe isnt capable, becoming US citizens isnt the worst fate for Greenlanders is it.

Well I do think the Greenlanders have a say in who they ally themselves with. They clearly want no alliance with the USA . Of course Europe can defend Greenland . What David are you such a friend of Trump and Co ? He is losing support in the USA . For good reason !

The 'rights' of the USA citizens are currently under attack from Trump and Musk. Goodness knows what will remain if he is not stopped. Not a good time to belong in the USA.

Donald Trump is an isolationist I cannot believe and actually I can believe what he is doing -alienating all of those who have been allies and friends of the USA. He and those close to him have inflated egos and it shows.

USA thanks to all of his dismantling of agency has the highest unemployment rate since 2008 and if he expects car manufacturers to build factories teach people how to build parts within the next four years it just is not going to happen. His health appointee says to take vitamin a rather than vaccinations oh my goodness!!

This craziness that’s going on in the USA is mine boggling! I’m an American I’m a permanent resident and proud to be here. I worked and contributed here for 27 years and I am so sorry and so concerned for the USA!!

Regards to Greenland I hope the people continue to stand up for themselves and fight this take over. The only country that seems to be a friend at the moment to the United States is Russia go figure that one!! The whole thing is mind boggling. The Statue of Liberty might as well be covered up in shame!

Churchview

David49

Allira

Your analogy with a town in the UK just does not work David49

Why not, if a gold mine is discovered and they want the benefits

Because no town in the UK is a self-governing, autonomous country with its own King as head of state with its own government and parliament.

Greenland is all of the above.
Staines isn't.

On the other hand what is self determination.

It counts for nothing unless you can enforce it, our laws would stop it happening, the police and the army would enforce the law.

Perhaps risk-reward will cut POTUS plans short?

www.reuters.com/article/world/mining-magnets-arctic-island-finds-green-power-can-be-a-curse-idUSKCN2AU0FR/

Look at Ukraine, they thought their friends would defend them, they can’t win against the might of Russia, their friends - that’s us, have sent them a few old tanks and some missiles.

Sorry guys we wish you well were not going to get involved in the serious fighting.

If Greenland really has got resources they need defending, they are in no position to do that, they can’t even pay for their own living costs.

There are plenty of countries with small populations
Andorra, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, San Marino, and Vatican City. Those are the ones in Europe. Dominica, St Kitts & Nevis, Bermuda, Macau, etc etc.

Maybe the US has got their eye on them next.

It has nothing to do with security, but everything to do with exploitation.

M0nica

There are plenty of countries with small populations
Andorra, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, San Marino, and Vatican City. Those are the ones in Europe. Dominica, St Kitts & Nevis, Bermuda, Macau, etc etc.

Yes but have they got resources worth fighting for, they are mainly tax havens allowed to be there by their neighbours who are friendly.

It’s when you have unfriendly neighbours that you need to defend yourself

David49

Look at Ukraine, they thought their friends would defend them, they can’t win against the might of Russia, their friends - that’s us, have sent them a few old tanks and some missiles.

Sorry guys we wish you well were not going to get involved in the serious fighting.

If Greenland really has got resources they need defending, they are in no position to do that, they can’t even pay for their own living costs.

Unlike Ukraine, Greenland through Denmark enjoys the protection of NATO. Why does it need to put itself under Trump's jackboot for security? Trump couldn't give a toss for Greenlanders he just wants to rape the country of its mineral wealth.

If you consult Freedom House that rates political rights and civil liberties in 208 countries, Denmark scores 97 while US only scores 84. On Our World in Data's democracy index Denmark scores 9.28 while US only scores 7.85 Why would anyone want to align themselves with a less democratic country?

David49 you obviously believe that bullying should prevail and the bullies should win.
Someone smaller than you has something you covet so you should be entitled to bash them and take it.

I take it you weren't in the Diplomatic Service!