Now Trump is targeting the U.K. with tarriffs how should Sir Keir handle a response?

You are wrong Galaxy. The school has a duty to protect its staff. It has nothing to do with free speech.

In the US, the 1st Amendment protects people from the government retaliating against them for their "speech", which includes choice of religion, right to assembly, freedom of speech and a free press. What DJT is doing to his political opponents and those critical of Israel is in violation of the 1st Amendment. He is also trying to censor the media.

I always look at it this way. Yes, I have freedom of speech, but I am not free from the consequences of my speech. And too
many people think their behavior qualifies as free speech.

Here is a good example. This week, a group of abortion protestors barred a doorway to a clinic, stopping anyone from entering and leaving. They were arrested for it.

They were not arrested for assembling or their viewpoints, instead they were arrested for illegally blocking the doorway. But they don't see it like that. They honestly believe they are the right to harass people, trespass and close down buildings as part of their "free speech". Not true. Has never been true.

Same with people who did the "roman salute" on social media after Musk did it. One woman lost her job. She had the freedom to make the gesture, but she did not have freedom from the consequences of it.

As for tariffs, I wish he would just stop it. Next up, he wants to increase the cost of our medicines from Canada. We already cant afford them because of our stupid health care system, but he is making it worse for no reason other then he is a bad person.

He has cost us $40 million to house 400 people at Gitmo and $27 million playing golf. That money can go elsewhere.

He keeps telling MAGA that the US will be raking in the money from these tariffs soon and to hold on until it gets better. They believe him of course.

This sucks and most Americans don't want any part of this. But if he is going to do it, please respond accordingly. Buy UK. Until those red states feel actual pain from this, it wont get better. Blue states will too, but I feel like we can outlast the red ones for now.

Don't people understand that it's the customers who pay for the tariffs - ie them?

The issue for the UK is that we export more to the US than any other single country. We're going to have to find a new export market for the goods we produce because Americans won't want to pay an extra 20% (or whatever) for British goods.

If only we were in a single market with our geographically nearest neighbours.

Right?

Most of MSGA do not understand tariffs. They really believe they are taxes on other countries.

Did I I mention that the state's with the highest MAGA population are the lowest in education?

@growstuff

Sir Keir trying to 'bribe' Trump with big tax cuts for US firms, according to The Guardian? Ha! Ha! Ha!

Tantrum Trump will delight in rubbing Starmer's nose in the shit - doesn't all the world just love a desperate sycophant?

Well! That's not really a surprise!

To be honest, I already knew that. I once saw a comparison of the school curriculum in various states and there was a huge difference between states such as California and those in the Midwest. It will be even worse now the Department of Education is being dismantled.

Do they think that other countries pay tariffs to export to the US and the US collects the taxes? Doh!

Sorry growstuff I long ago stopped listening to people on the Internet telling me I am wrong about freedom of speech. I am sure lots of organisations have thought they were protecting their staff as I say many if them have suffered financially for that assumption. This couple could be all sorts of things I have no idea, but the same applies to the fact that the police may have over reached, it wouldn't be the first time.

growstuff

Don't people understand that it's the customers who pay for the tariffs - ie them?

The issue for the UK is that we export more to the US than any other single country. We're going to have to find a new export market for the goods we produce because Americans won't want to pay an extra 20% (or whatever) for British goods.

We do export a lot to the US Trump the US has applied few tariffs on those exports in the past, Trump is now proposing “reciprocal tariffs” - if you tax us we will tax you.

We have long since had a 10% tariff on US car imports, to protect our car industry, we have never imported many, a few Mustangs and Corvettes, in the past Teslas, ( UK Tesla’s are now built in China).

The solution for the car industry is to remove the tariff on US cars and parts. For the UK most of our exports are luxury products Range Rovers, Bentleys, Rolls Royce, Scotch Whisky, Gourmet Foods, they are not price sensitive the customer in the US will pay the extra if needed.

I can’t argue against reciprocal tariffs, if we don’t want them then don’t charge tariffs on imports.

Taken as a bloc the EU is by far our biggest customer and supplier with 41% of our total exports of goods and services and 52% imports.

The USA is our largest single customer representing taking 22% of our goods and services and supply s total of 13% of our imports.

Services accounts for almost 68% of our total exports to the USA.
The majority of our exports amounting to 32% is generally thought to be in luxury goods but I have not yet been able to get hold of a breakdown - but I will keep trying. I do know that the Scotch whisky producers are suppliers to USA.

That should read “The majority of our exports *in goods*”

Top 10 – United States (2020) (Smylies)

Here are the top food and drink products exported to the USA in 2020.

Whiskey – £749.8 million
Gin – £106.4 million
Salmon – £144.8 million
Beer – £101.7 million
Soft Drinks- £78.8 million
Spirits – £52.6 million
Cheese – £44.8 million
Wine – £43.8 million
Fish – £34.7 million
Sugar – £30.2 million

In the scheme of things, this isn’t a huge sum of money. We’ll have to stop drinking wine from the USA (I already have), and start drinking more UK wine, and whisky.

More detail

Goods Exports:
Machinery and Transport Equipment:
This category, including cars, accounted for the largest share of UK goods exports to the US, totaling £27.2 billion.
Cars: £6.4 billion, representing 18.4% of all UK car exports, with the US being the largest export partner for cars.
Mechanical power generators (intermediate): £5.2 billion, including internal combustion engines, turbines, and power generating machinery.
Chemicals:
The second-largest commodity exported, with £14.2 billion in exports, including £8.8 billion of medicinal and pharmaceutical products and £2.8 billion of organic chemicals.
Materials:
£4.2 billion
Other goods:
The UK also exports a wide range of other goods to the US including food and drink, textiles, and other manufactured goods.

David49

growstuff

Don't people understand that it's the customers who pay for the tariffs - ie them?

The issue for the UK is that we export more to the US than any other single country. We're going to have to find a new export market for the goods we produce because Americans won't want to pay an extra 20% (or whatever) for British goods.

We do export a lot to the US Trump the US has applied few tariffs on those exports in the past, Trump is now proposing “reciprocal tariffs” - if you tax us we will tax you.

We have long since had a 10% tariff on US car imports, to protect our car industry, we have never imported many, a few Mustangs and Corvettes, in the past Teslas, ( UK Tesla’s are now built in China).

The solution for the car industry is to remove the tariff on US cars and parts. For the UK most of our exports are luxury products Range Rovers, Bentleys, Rolls Royce, Scotch Whisky, Gourmet Foods, they are not price sensitive the customer in the US will pay the extra if needed.

I can’t argue against reciprocal tariffs, if we don’t want them then don’t charge tariffs on imports.

We won't know until this afternoon what tariffs Trump is proposing for the UK.

Galaxy

Sorry growstuff I long ago stopped listening to people on the Internet telling me I am wrong about freedom of speech. I am sure lots of organisations have thought they were protecting their staff as I say many if them have suffered financially for that assumption. This couple could be all sorts of things I have no idea, but the same applies to the fact that the police may have over reached, it wouldn't be the first time.

Good, so you won't have taken any notice of what I posted.

I don’t drink US wine either, I prefer Australian. Food and Drink is a big issue for the US, our non tarrif barriers - welfare, health and environmental, are not acceptable to them. So we can expect tariffs in that area unless we relax those restrictions, maybe that’s a price we have to pay, maybe some concessions are possible.
We do import meat from South America under strict quality and health regulations, there is no reason, those regulations could not apply to US imports. Food in the US is not cheap, whether it’s in the supermarket or in a restaurant a meal will cost a lot more than the UK, so I don’t see large quantities coming into the UK.

Chlorined chicken is not a road I want to go down.
I am very disappointed in Starmers appeasement policy towards Trump. Mark Carney seemed to get the measure of him better. You stand up to bullies. Certainly trump's statement regarding his talk with Carney indicated a change. No longer the '51st state' not 'Governer' Carney. Whatever he said to Trump, it obviously worked. I just wish Starmer would do similar

So far we know that Starmer is planning to widen the scope of DST bringing under its umbrella smaller tech companies whilst at the same time reducing the headline rate, which would in theory represent a significant reduction to large usa tech companies.

Trump has not yet responded.

Concessions are also to be made on imports of beef, chicken and other meat - but- the ban on hormone stuffed meat snd chlorinated chicken remains as an “absolute red line”

Whitewavemark2

So far we know that Starmer is planning to widen the scope of DST bringing under its umbrella smaller tech companies whilst at the same time reducing the headline rate, which would in theory represent a significant reduction to large usa tech companies.

Trump has not yet responded.

Concessions are also to be made on imports of beef, chicken and other meat - but- the ban on hormone stuffed meat snd chlorinated chicken remains as an “absolute red line”

There is plenty of food produced to higher standards in the US that would meet our requirements, it’s not going to be cheap food.

growstuff

Galaxy

Sorry growstuff I long ago stopped listening to people on the Internet telling me I am wrong about freedom of speech. I am sure lots of organisations have thought they were protecting their staff as I say many if them have suffered financially for that assumption. This couple could be all sorts of things I have no idea, but the same applies to the fact that the police may have over reached, it wouldn't be the first time.

Good, so you won't have taken any notice of what I posted.

It did make me curious so I looked into it as far as possible.

The father concerned knew exactly what he was doing in handling and manipulating the media in attacking the school.

He is a Times Radio Producer, a politician (local Councillor) and they have on record a whole string of direct emails to the school, as well as his remarks in the parents private WhatsApp group.

Communications were described as harassing, malicious, inflammatory and defamatory. A parent in the WhatsApp group was so concerned they reported it.

How could the school, the governors, and the parents who disagreed with the levels of persistant and contiuning harassment deal with it is the problem?

Whether the police did exactly the right thing in calling at the house or should have say invited the couple in is being discussed.

David49

Whitewavemark2

So far we know that Starmer is planning to widen the scope of DST bringing under its umbrella smaller tech companies whilst at the same time reducing the headline rate, which would in theory represent a significant reduction to large usa tech companies.

Trump has not yet responded.

Concessions are also to be made on imports of beef, chicken and other meat - but- the ban on hormone stuffed meat snd chlorinated chicken remains as an “absolute red line”

There is plenty of food produced to higher standards in the US that would meet our requirements, it’s not going to be cheap food.

At a personal level, that won’t bother me, as I buy very little apart from fruit and vegetables perhaps, and I can quite easily find an alternative.

We had a similar problem when I was a school governor. A parent very active on social media fell out with the school over a matter unrelated to the education of his child.
He posted endless vile stuff online, harassed teachers at the school etc. He was banned the site, meaning that his wife only could attend meetings regarding the children. He was infuriated by this : the mother, of course was not " competent" , in his eyes to manage alone.
Eventually he did stop posting unpleasant and untrue material about the school, the headteacher, staff, and governors .
He found another target for his online abuse instead.

Chocolatelovinggran

We had a similar problem when I was a school governor. A parent very active on social media fell out with the school over a matter unrelated to the education of his child.
He posted endless vile stuff online, harassed teachers at the school etc. He was banned the site, meaning that his wife only could attend meetings regarding the children. He was infuriated by this : the mother, of course was not " competent" , in his eyes to manage alone.
Eventually he did stop posting unpleasant and untrue material about the school, the headteacher, staff, and governors .
He found another target for his online abuse instead.

It gives people who protest about genuinely losing the right to free speech a bad name.

Wouldn't it be nice if for just one day there was no mention of trump in any newspaper or other form of media. Just one day!

Ladyleftfieldlover

Wouldn't it be nice if for just one day there was no mention of trump in any newspaper or other form of media. Just one day!

We can dream, I don’t think it will come true for a long time.