Grooming gangs. Labour absolutely stink

Yes Galaxy I’m aware FGM is illegal. My point is that whilst supporting the law, working in a supportive way to challenge communities within which it’s seen as essential is also necessary. But I suspect you knew what I was meaning

Sorry that should say we of course do judge fgm that's why it is illegal.

We of course do judge for ghats why it is illegal and professionals have a duty to report. I think it is a good example of establishing a standard that we should all adhere to.

It’s good to see research and non judgmental support from agencies challenging tradition. The same approach is shown to be more effective with FGM for example.

Yes, there has been much change, numbers have dropped substantially.

We had a whole thread about it, didn't we? It was because there was disagreement about education versus an attempt legislate.

Iam64
As you said upthread, thank goodness the younger generation are refusing these marriages.
I worked with a young Muslim woman, married to her first cousin who had had 3 still births, all severely disabled.

petra

Anniebach

Recently there has been much said about health problems of children from first cousin marriages

In 2010 a 3 year project was started in Birmingham.
This article ( dated 2021) reports that 1 in 5 babies die in Birmingham caused by consanguineous marriage.
I was educated in this disturbing subject in 1971.
Added to the above there are above average numbers of severely disabled children in care in Birmingham.
I don’t care what race or religion these parents are, children are suffering.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/silence-must-end-call-action-20348860

Agree completely with your last sentence. 👏

I posted on here some time ago about my friend who worked in a special school with severely handicapped kids in an inner city and the majority of kids were asian. I used to help out at Fetes and special events and was shocked at the severity of avoidable handicaps.

Apart from the suffering these poor kids go through there is the cost running into millions per child of their care for the rest of their lives.

The health problems resulting from first cousin marriages was well known when I started in generic social work in 1980. Colleagues in health and our own teams supporting children and families with disabilities were trying hard to educate the risk. If only knowing the problem magically disappeared it

Anniebach

Recently there has been much said about health problems of children from first cousin marriages

In 2010 a 3 year project was started in Birmingham.
This article ( dated 2021) reports that 1 in 5 babies die in Birmingham caused by consanguineous marriage.
I was educated in this disturbing subject in 1971.
Added to the above there are above average numbers of severely disabled children in care in Birmingham.
I don’t care what race or religion these parents are, children are suffering.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/silence-must-end-call-action-20348860

Still today ? thousands still today ?

Our society has a Christian heritage with good bits and bad bits, good people and bad people, just as other religions/cultures do.

What institutions now ? are you saying Christianity is still very much to the fore now ?

But that’s distraction isn’t it, ooh look there’s a squirrel sort of thing.

No, it isn't. Far from it. Tell that to the thousands of women and children who suffer and have suffered at the hands of men in long term "Brit" institutions and in our families".

Look at the whole picture.

First cousin marriages are slowly reducing according to the Born in Bradford study. Better educated young people are understanding the health risks

Apologies on child brides my comment followed one focused on 8 year olds . I don’t defend arranged marriages to 14 year olds who think they’re going to visit family

Nope I’ve never lived in a cave and that kind of comment is really rather rude

Recently there has been much said about health problems of children from first cousin marriages

First cousins can actually legally marry in the UK Oreo. I suspect when they do, they don’t generally broadcast it though.

Wyllow3

Yes I agree Galaxy cultures do have an impact on behaviour. And in order to live better together it's important to understand those.
What I have problems with is blaming and generalising about one culture - attributing certain types of behaviour to them only - without looking at a our dominant culture that has also produced appalling practices.

But that’s distraction isn’t it, ooh look there’s a squirrel sort of thing.
Our culture doesn’t marry first cousins with all the heartache that can cause with babies and health, nor do we choose the husband for our daughters or pretend the daughter is having a holiday when in fact it’s to be married off, or indulge in so called honour killings.
Our European cultures may have faults but is a haven of liberalism compared to many others.

Primrose53

Iam64

My experience of living and working in a town with a large population of people with Muslim faith and Pakistani heritage hasn’t led me to share your disdain
My experience did not involve child brides

Oh come on ….. young girls have been pulled out of school in this country for years and years and a relative has taken them overseas for what they were told was a holiday and they are married off to some old bloke.

This has fairly recently been banned I believe but you must have been living in a cave not to know that. There have been countless radio and TV progs about it, teachers and social workers know about it (but too late to do anything). There are even posters up in ladies toilets at airports about forced marriages.

I agree, it’s been an issue for years and years, maybe getting better or may not, most cases don’t make the headlines so hard to know.Terrible situation for those girls.
I wonder why a few posters can’t recognise that culture still plays a big part in all sorts of things, particularly for those who originate in country locations in Pakistan who then settle here.

Yes we are fortunate in many respects. In terms of discussing abuse in the UK however we are still left with the issue that abuse against women and children is cross-cultural.

It doesn't emanate only from one particular group. Its been often hidden and very shameful for a long, long time.

It is light years ahead of many countries. As is much of Europe in terms of rights for women, gay rights, etc etc.

Yes I agree Galaxy cultures do have an impact on behaviour. And in order to live better together it's important to understand those.
What I have problems with is blaming and generalising about one culture - attributing certain types of behaviour to them only - without looking at a our dominant culture that has also produced appalling practices.

It can't be both though can it. It can't be that culture of social media and Andrew tate impact young men in this country but that other cultures have no impact on behaviour. It isn't Muslims anyway, it is very specific to a region.

Aways easier to blame others than look at our own cultures.

Iam64

My experience of living and working in a town with a large population of people with Muslim faith and Pakistani heritage hasn’t led me to share your disdain
My experience did not involve child brides

Oh come on ….. young girls have been pulled out of school in this country for years and years and a relative has taken them overseas for what they were told was a holiday and they are married off to some old bloke.

This has fairly recently been banned I believe but you must have been living in a cave not to know that. There have been countless radio and TV progs about it, teachers and social workers know about it (but too late to do anything). There are even posters up in ladies toilets at airports about forced marriages.

My experience of living and working in a town with a large population of people with Muslim faith and Pakistani heritage hasn’t led me to share your disdain
My experience did not involve child brides