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US/UK trade deal?

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Wyllow3 Tue 15-Apr-25 11:00:58

Overnight Vance has made vague noises about a trade deal with no specifics

"'The president really loves the United Kingdom'
“We’re certainly working very hard with Keir Starmer’s government.
"The president really loves the United Kingdom. He loved the Queen. He admires and loves the King. It is a very important relationship. And he’s a businessman and has a number of important business relationships in [Britain].

He also mentioned Europe "“I love European people"

US Vice-President JD Vance says there is a "good chance" a trade deal could be reached with the UK

The UK's trade minister agrees, but says she can't provide a "timeline" for when an agreement might be reached

UK imports to the US are charged a 10% tariff, with higher rates for cars, steel, and aluminium, but Vance says "we're working very hard with Keir Starmer's government" on a deal
But when it came to US-EU relations, Vance was less complimentary"

But meanwhile the USA is looking at putting tariffs on in the pharmaceutical trade.

I dont trust Vance at all. My first thought it, "at what costs to us". And also, not to accept trade deals that are deliberately intended to split us off from other allies - Canada, Europe. Atm all "hot air" in the on of/ on off edicts from the White House.

Its on the BBC I player news feed.

Other report not behind paywall

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/15/jd-vance-says-us-hopeful-of-great-trade-deal-with-uk

petra Tue 15-Apr-25 20:18:15

fancythat

AGAA4

I think the US is getting nervous. China has stopped delivery of Boeing planes from the US. It's not a good time to be doing deals with Vance.

Now that is a bigger matter.

I do think sometimes, Gnetters in general can focus on smaller items, and forget the bigger trades.

Perhaps you missed or didn’t understand the more weightier posts because I can assure you there have been many.

Ladyleftfieldlover Tue 15-Apr-25 20:06:46

No, no, no. The UK (and the EU) should do their best to distance themselves from the trump administration. I have been listening to the Rest is Politics blog with Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart. They were talking to an American commentator yesterday - I can’t remember his name - and it was illuminating, disturbing and frightening.

Wyllow3 Tue 15-Apr-25 19:49:10

62Granny

They want the UK to be beholden to them , but instead of giving us a good deal in the beginning I think they want us to think, " see how nice we are we have given you a better deal than anyone else" the only thing I am afraid of is lots of medication or components for medical things come from the US and a lot of people rely on this, we have no other way of obtaining these items only via the NHS.

Just checked the figures, it's very much a world picture - the USA will suffer greatly from any tariffs against them on medicines. Then there is China, for example

"Today, most active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) used for drugs in the United States are made in China, including 95% of U.S. imports of ibuprofen, 70% of acetaminophen, and 40-45% of Penicillin.

I feel very strongly internationally governments would negotiate for a no tarifff situation on medicines but.....

The concern is of course that the NHS is a huge block purchaser of meds and attractive to the USA and we are vulnerable but we also buy drugs from China, India, EU countries....

David49 Tue 15-Apr-25 17:57:01

Macadia

*David49*, I think Boeing engines are made in the UK, not China.

Boeing fit RR or Pratt & Whitney engines according to airline requirements, I dont know which Chinese airlines use, probably some of both.

62Granny Tue 15-Apr-25 17:42:31

They want the UK to be beholden to them , but instead of giving us a good deal in the beginning I think they want us to think, " see how nice we are we have given you a better deal than anyone else" the only thing I am afraid of is lots of medication or components for medical things come from the US and a lot of people rely on this, we have no other way of obtaining these items only via the NHS.

Macadia Tue 15-Apr-25 17:39:25

David49, I think Boeing engines are made in the UK, not China.

David49 Tue 15-Apr-25 17:30:20

Whitewavemark2

Not as long as all that.

Boeing has serious flaws, safety issues and as a result has lost costumers.

Its reputation has been badly damaged.

I wouldn’t feel terribly safe flying in one.

Thousands of Boeing flights are made every day it’s still the safest form of transport.

China stopping deliveries will need to be sorted out quickly because Trump will stop parts being delivered for existing aircraft. Existing planes will soon be grounded without replacement parts.

Boeing and Airbus supply most of the planes that can fly to western airports both have very long backlogs of orders

MaizieD Tue 15-Apr-25 17:01:09

FriedGreenTomatoes2

‘Made in China’ doesn’t inspire confidence.

Doesn't inspire confidence in who (whom?)? They don't seem to have any problem in selling masses of consumer goods to the UK public.

Every second item seems to be made in China...

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 15-Apr-25 16:34:48

‘Made in China’ doesn’t inspire confidence.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Apr-25 16:33:48

Not as long as all that.

Boeing has serious flaws, safety issues and as a result has lost costumers.

Its reputation has been badly damaged.

I wouldn’t feel terribly safe flying in one.

David49 Tue 15-Apr-25 16:29:23

AGAA4

I think the US is getting nervous. China has stopped delivery of Boeing planes from the US. It's not a good time to be doing deals with Vance.

There is a very long waiting list for Boeing airliners another buyer will be very happy. Some Boeing planes are actually built in China these days, probably engines are made in the US so its going to get complicated.

Macadia Tue 15-Apr-25 15:49:29

The smaller items are employment and the price of goods. With that in mind (and with a Brexit faith) Reynolds will negotiate a deal that helps strengthen the UK and set aside the issues of the EU. The EU is not his job priority.

Cossy Tue 15-Apr-25 15:47:55

Rosie51

I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. I don't want any deals with the current administration, you can be 100% certain they'd be more advantageous to USA than UK. I agree Wyllow any deal would be intended to cause splits with other allies, that's why Trump backed Brexit, divide and rule, old as the hills.

I agree with you and Willow3 and Whitemark!

B*****r America whilst Trump/Vance/Musk at large.

Sorry normal USA citizens who didn’t vote for this shower of s**t

Churchview Tue 15-Apr-25 15:47:12

Vance's vocabulary is as infantile and limited as Trump's.

Pretty much everything that has come out of the USA recently has been hot air and either quickly forgotten, denied or subject to a U-turn.

When they were campaigning it was easy for Trump and Vance to spout false promises and threats. Now they actually have to do hard work, get down to detail, negotiate with world leaders and face the reality of the outcome of their actions they can't do it. Nothing comes of their vainglorious bellywash.

Surely the world is wearying of waiting for Donald to piss or get off the pot.

fancythat Tue 15-Apr-25 15:44:58

AGAA4

I think the US is getting nervous. China has stopped delivery of Boeing planes from the US. It's not a good time to be doing deals with Vance.

Now that is a bigger matter.

I do think sometimes, Gnetters in general can focus on smaller items, and forget the bigger trades.

fancythat Tue 15-Apr-25 15:42:06

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Plus, a reminder for anyone doubting the importance of the Royals, myself included, of their soft power and the influence it has on diplomacy and our country’s standing. 😁

Good point

Macadia Tue 15-Apr-25 15:34:22

It sounds as if all these comments are talking about Russia. Oh my how things have changed in 2025.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Apr-25 15:27:42

It can never be better than a deal with a much stronger economic block, bigger customer base and closer proximity.

It is a no brainer.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 15-Apr-25 15:20:49

Plus, a reminder for anyone doubting the importance of the Royals, myself included, of their soft power and the influence it has on diplomacy and our country’s standing. 😁

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 15-Apr-25 15:14:06

I think they butter us up with sweet words to annoy the EU as much as anything, now we’ve left.
If it means a better deal for us I’d happily take it.
“Never look a gift horse” and all that.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Apr-25 14:37:11

That should be “detrimental to”

Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Apr-25 14:24:34

I will be very annoyed if the deal is detrimental with any other potential trade alliances with Europe or other trading partners.

I would prefer to keep the Trump government at arms length.

Review the situation if there is a regime change.

Rosie51 Tue 15-Apr-25 14:18:03

Wyllow3

I think atm my major concern is that it will slow down alliances with other countries in the hopes of a "Deal", has been done deliberately for that, and we should call their bluff and continue to work on trade alliances.

!00% agree. Given that both Trump and Vance can say one thing today and then tomorrow totally deny they ever said it tells all. It will be a long time before the world can put any trust in USA again.

AGAA4 Tue 15-Apr-25 13:52:11

I think the US is getting nervous. China has stopped delivery of Boeing planes from the US. It's not a good time to be doing deals with Vance.

David49 Tue 15-Apr-25 13:43:00

I dont trust Trump and Vance even less. Personally I wouldn't deal with either of them, as a nation we have to deal with them but after you shake hands remember to count your fingers.