J K Rowling has nailed it - re Starmer and the trans issue

The GRA and governments around 2017 raising the issue of self ID did create the situations - not knowing the consequences at the time - of suggesting that ID in terms of gender was realistic.

That is the government and those responsible for the Gender Recognition Act, not society in general. Most people had no idea what was being decided until too late.

but what it had done was give the "quiet TW " expectations which they are having to unpick now.
So the men, the 'quiet ones', who believed they could transition into a female simply by possession of a certificate, had little knowledge of what lay behind it all? Really?

I do not understand this over -riding concern for trans women , 'the quiet ones,' to be allowed to use women only spaces, such as the WI, and The Ladies' Pond, because
one good reason is to give reassurance/resources about living their lives out and not force them into joining extremists.

What is the point of a Supreme Court judgement if people are already considering ways of undermining it, and deeming it acceptable for these 'quiet ones' to become activists if they do not get their way? Defying the Law?

...and as if to prove the point:

Carla Denyer, co-leader of the Green Party of England and Wales, said the interim guidance, which was published on Friday following the Supreme Court ruling on 15 April, was "rushed and ill-thought out".

"It's been really obvious that they have not listened to trans people," she told BBC One's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme.

They've not listened to trans people? Would that be a little bit like not having listened to women for the last 10 years? 🤔

Small parties were very vulnerable to this ideology, it happened in the Lib dems as well.
With regards to society I do partly blame those who have been chanting TWAW for the last decade. That wasn't just political parties it was media, organisations, etc. It was those with power so yes I suppose you might be right about 'most people' eazybee but many of the 'elite' enabled it. Its what happens when the media, political parties, etc become increasingly removed from 'ordinary people'.
Oh and absolutely no exceptions, no men however lovely, however quiet, however pretty in female spaces.
Organisations won't undermine for long, it will be too costly.

Carlotta

...and as if to prove the point:

Carla Denyer, co-leader of the Green Party of England and Wales, said the interim guidance, which was published on Friday following the Supreme Court ruling on 15 April, was "rushed and ill-thought out".

"It's been really obvious that they have not listened to trans people," she told BBC One's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme.

They've not listened to trans people? Would that be a little bit like not having listened to women for the last 10 years? 🤔

Yes
The difference is that there was no outpouring of sympathy for the women who were not listened to for the last 10 years.
Despite the frequent implications that women don’t care about trans,
I am concerned about the outcomes for trans whilst the mess of the last ten years is sorted out.
It’s not much fun having to worry whether you will be safe going into places that you once thought you could access safely as women know only too well.

There needs to be a concerted effort by trans and their obvious supporters, to establish their own ‘safe places’ without claiming that they are women.
The examples of lockable neutral toilets opening into open spaces, is a good one. Why does that have to mean women are no longer entitled to single sex spaces. Also, the troublemakers, as we have seen are more interested in being in spaces where they are not entitled to be, than having gender neutral toilets. The idea posted earlier that the ‘quiet ones’ might join the extremists is worrying.
How do the ^quiet trans’ that people know, feel about gender neutral toilets, since they are now legally not allowed in female safe spaces?
Will they happily accept them?

There's currently a thread running on Mumsnet about a whistle-blower within Guides, saying that "Volunteers have been instructed that, irrespective of the Supreme Court judgement, boys who identify as girls can use female camp rooms and toilets. Worse still, parents must not be told."

Their webite Mission Statement still states As a girl-only organisation with a trans-inclusive Equality and diversity policy, we treat trans girls and women according to the gender they have transitioned, or are proposing to transition, to. Meaning trans girls and trans women are welcome to be a part of our great charity. There's no mention or reference to the recent SC ruling indicating that they're considering its implications going forward so, at the moment, it looks like they're digging their heels in.

Unbelievable-well actually not. That’s exactly what the TRA, the Greens, and even on SM are saying.
Ignore the rules, ignore the well-being of women, if it upsets the trans.
It’s enough to drive us to extremism!

Women have been ejected from their roles as Guide leaders for criticising and/or publicising this policy because they were deemed transphobic.
Now, tho, it's simply stating legal fact to comment or criticise it.

I hope Guides & Brownies are making this policy clear to parents, if they think it's legitimate. As long as everyone is aware of what it is, there's no legal problem.

Of course, it's not just about boys claiming to be girls. It's also about men claiming to be women as leaders or helpers.