J K Rowling has nailed it - re Starmer and the trans issue

Sounds typical of the man.

I thought he has always been cowardly on this issue.Others may say he was wise to keep in with the trans activists for their votes🤬
Looking back it was a sort of collective madness that gave support to these angry, entitled misogynists that call themselves activists and I am so glad they have now been put back in their box.

JK Rowling, don’t suppose you’re reading this, but if you are, well done you, you’re a heroine for women’s rights so a big thank you.😃

So many politicians have been mealy mouthed on the subject of sex and gender.

Oreo

So many politicians have been mealy mouthed on the subject of sex and gender.

Yes - for a good 20 years or so. As have many organisations outside the direct political arena.
We have 2 threads on this already and these sentiments expressed on both.

This is just another thread focusing on Starmer bashing with no context - for the sake of it as per the right wing press - why not join the already existing discussions Witzend

Sharron Davis too has had vile abuse on her stand for what is a biological woman.
BBC News showed clips of Starmer 3 years ago insisting that trans women were women. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise he has changed his views.

Kemi Badenoch made the sort of statement I would have expected our PM to make on the ruling.

Starmer is first and last a lawyer.

He follows the rule of law.

What he actually thinks - is his private opinion.

My opinion is that the Judge was right when he advised that this should not be looked at as a victory for anyone, and I am concerned that whilst there has been a settlement of a definition of a woman, it has not addressed the issue of a minority, who identify entirely with the opposite sex into which they were born.

In fact I think this judgement is only part of the answer to the entire issue.

Wyllow3

Oreo

So many politicians have been mealy mouthed on the subject of sex and gender.

Yes - for a good 20 years or so. As have many organisations outside the direct political arena.
We have 2 threads on this already and these sentiments expressed on both.

This is just another thread focusing on Starmer bashing with no context - for the sake of it as per the right wing press - why not join the already existing discussions Witzend

My sentiments exactly. The fashion for blaming KS for everything is exactly why he couldn't speak out in opposition. He's blamed whatever he does or doesn't do.

I'd love to know what those who are criticising him did about the issue themselves. Obviously JKR has no case to answer, but many of his critics remained in workplaces where they were compelled to go along with Stonewall nonsense. Are we to blame them too?

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What? Do you think he actually believes privately that men can be women. That doesn't reassure me.

Hear, hear Wyllow.

I was pulled into a 'discussion' with my manager when I objected to the content of a training course on this issue, narrowly avoided a complaint. I have donated to pretty much every single legal case on this matter. So I will criticise every single political party including labour on this issue.

Galaxy

What? Do you think he actually believes privately that men can be women. That doesn't reassure me.

Don’t be silly, I have no idea what Starmer thinks privately.

What I do know is that he is a lawyer, and will always follow the rule of law.

Personally I find that gives me confidence because I know exactly how the PM will act. He will follow the rule of law.

The nonsense encouraged by the media, stops people thinking.

Where were the press when the Conservatives were in power not demanding Something Be done and blaming Johnson/Sunak for not doing anything despite all?

And have conveniently forgotten that Teresa May was in fact one of the chief voices for Self ID in 2017 onwards?

Galaxy

I was pulled into a 'discussion' with my manager when I objected to the content of a training course on this issue, narrowly avoided a complaint. I have donated to pretty much every single legal case on this matter. So I will criticise every single political party including labour on this issue.

Thats fair and just what has been happening for years

The Times and the spectator have been good on this issue fir quite some time, certainly before the labour government, I think the telegraph is more a johnny come lately but I would need to check.

KS is a PM. Of course he will cop criticism. Last time I looked the UK wasn’t a total dictatorship but obviously some think it should be and no one should be allowed to criticise the government. Move over Trump and Xi Jinping.

Everyone I know, family and friends, have always believed that women don’t have penises. Were we wrong (and Starmer and co right because the Law hadn’t told them otherwise) to have held those beliefs up until last week?

I don’t think so! And as for not seeing it as a win, imagine if it’d gone t’other way…darn right they’d be crowing!

Pantglas2

Everyone I know, family and friends, have always believed that women don’t have penises. Were we wrong (and Starmer and co right because the Law hadn’t told them otherwise) to have held those beliefs up until last week?

I don’t think so! And as for not seeing it as a win, imagine if it’d gone t’other way…darn right they’d be crowing!

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Exactly Pantglas2.

Given the current demonstrations, can you imagine the whooping & crowing &, no doubt, a good deal of misogynistic threats of violence such as we're seeing from transactivists now?

And would women who had lost have been out there with placards wishing death on trans people? I don't think so.

Galaxy

What? Do you think he actually believes privately that men can be women. That doesn't reassure me.

Who? No, I think nothing of the sort.

No not you doodledog it was WW who referred to Starmers inner thoughts.

"The Gender Recognition Act 2004[1] is an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that allows adults in the United Kingdom who have gender dysphoria to change their legal sex. It came into effect on 4 April 2005."

"Among those who voted against the bill were Ann Widdecombe (who opposed it on religious grounds), Dominic Grieve, Peter Lilley and Andrew Robathan. Among Conservative MPs who supported the bill were Kenneth Clarke, Constitutional Affairs spokesman Tim Boswell, and future speaker John Bercow."

Galaxy

No not you doodledog it was WW who referred to Starmers inner thoughts.

Ah, ok, sorry.