J K Rowling has nailed it - re Starmer and the trans issue

Yes Wyllow3.
It does need to be clear about provision and protection for trans people, but it’s not easy to know how or whether any such provision will be accepted.

Its very clear as far as it goes, which is really helpful - crucial details for some complex situations are needed, and also the question that if it is to encompass protection for trans people as promised it needs to be clear about provision. Also guidance on enforcement.

Good to see the common sense interim guidance.

Sorry, my post @ 08.40 was in response to nanna8 @04.40 this morning.

Thanks for posting the interim guidance Carlotta.

It seems remarkably sensible, which is such a change from the nonsense we’ve become accustomed to over the past few years. Sanity might be creeping back into the asylum.

Not all toilets in Australia are unisex. Currently, the National Construction Code (NCC) mandates separate sanitary facilities for males and females, with some exceptions for accessible toilets or single-gender facilities.

As we have said the interim guidance is now there for organisations to act upon.

Whitewavemark2

Starmer is first and last a lawyer.

He follows the rule of law.

What he actually thinks - is his private opinion.

My opinion is that the Judge was right when he advised that this should not be looked at as a victory for anyone, and I am concerned that whilst there has been a settlement of a definition of a woman, it has not addressed the issue of a minority, who identify entirely with the opposite sex into which they were born.

In fact I think this judgement is only part of the answer to the entire issue.

Well said white wavemark2 🏳️‍⚧️

Not a big Harry Potter fan myself but I applaud the brave public stance of JKR who, despite all the threats and the bullying stayed true to common sense. . Well done.

Don’t they have unisex toilets and changing rooms already? They have been around for years and years with no issues arising ( except the cleanliness of the unisex facilities) .

Let's face it the only peiple Lord Cashman cares about were born male. He doesn't give a monkey's about biological women, and I doubt very much he would accept a transman as a potential sexual partner. In common with Nancy Kelley of Stonewall, he's very comfortably ensconced with his 'same sex' partner, who coincidentally is the same biological sex. It's astounding how none of the most vociferous trans advocates actually have a transgender partner. Looking at you too Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson et al.

Membership of an association with 25 or more members looked particularly interesting

Yes it does doesn't it! I'm especially pleased about that girl Guides organisation will now have to make changes. It never sat well with me that groups of teenage girls could go to camp weekends and have to share their sleeping accommodation and washing facilities with teenage boys. I've never forgotten about Helen Watts, a Guide Leader for 15 years, being expelled from Guides for raising safeguarding concerns when transitioning boys were admitted.

Thank you Carlotta.
It looks like some careful thought has already gone into this.
Membership of an association with 25 or more members looked particularly interesting.

I'm only posting this because it made me laugh out loud! Seen on Reddit:

Hell, we can actually change someones chromosomes. Medical science has the power.



Ah bless!

It really looks like sanity may be making a comeback.

Yes but we can expect much wailing and gnashing of teeth from TRA's. The hyperbole has started already:

On Thursday a Labour peer claimed that trans people were seeking asylum abroad fearing for their safety after the recent Supreme Court judgment.^
Speaking in a debate in the Lords, Lord Cashman said: “Currently, trans people in this country live in fear, they live in fear of their safety, their futures.

“Indeed, some friends are now looking at seeking asylum in countries where they will fear not [for their] safety but where they will receive a welcome.”

He did not, however, provide any evidence to support his claim.

We're back with the nebulous "trans friends" again.

Thanks Carlotta that looks like a really good start. It is brilliant for lesbians and gay men, but I'm especially pleased that lesbians will be able to exclude males no matter how they identify.
It really looks like sanity may be making a comeback.

Thanks carlotta.

Here's the Interim Guidance:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/media-centre/interim-update-practical-implications-uk-supreme-court-judgment

It's brilliant for lesbians, really clear they can organise without men.

Galaxy

EHRC have issued their interim guidance, I have read it very quickly but looks very clear.

That's speedy, will be interested to see it.

I think maintain the guidance that patients are treated on same sex wards but that there is the possibility of professionals making "Best option" exceptions in complex and difficult situations.

EHRC have issued their interim guidance, I have read it very quickly but looks very clear.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

Wyllow3

I do have grave reservations for an across the board mandated policy for a transwomen or transman, sick in a hospital bed, to have to face every one else on that ward to be told they are trans (in order to explain why an apparent person of the opposite sex has appeared)
Trans people are far from being accepted by all and mocked or attacked and when sick as well?

So your solution is?
In the situation I mentioned above, when DH was in hospital, how comfortable would your transman with urinary tract issues feel in a ward full of men?
How comfortable would the men feel if they discovered that the transman was in fact a woman?
(They undoubtedly would, because some people can tell, and at the least it would give rise to speculation.)
What if the trans man would prefer to have treatment urinary tract problems dealt with by a female doctor in a ward where the doctors have been men?
There are lots of questions, none of which require accusations of mocking, unlike the mocking attitude of the TW in my DD’s mental health ward, who mocked not just the patients, but the nurses who were afraid to do anything about it when accusations of transphobia could lose you your job?

Oh I see what you mean. Men who identify as women won't be on a male ward, streeting has already said that.