Is the Conservatory Party now an irrelevance?

Wyllow3

It just makes me cross with some aspects of Social Media. No wonder people don't vote, it's difficult enough finding the ways around MSM. ..but deliberate falsifying...😡

This
It’s like the entire world now follows the Donald’s lead and simply talks nonsense with the clear expectation of being believed

The creation of false narratives has gone further in the US but is dangerous and yes helps keep a dictator in power.

Do you mean narratives such as men can be women, Biden is fine, puberty blockers are harmless, nothing to see with Bidens son - those false narratives, because I only saw a handful of people raising concerns about those.

Different sorts of narratives are contested for different reasons.

The Tories ARE going to be a significant force in the next GE, everything depends on the popularity of Labour at that time, if the voter sentiment is negative a Tory/Reform coalition is quite possible.
Everything depends on the success of Starmers policies and how the Reform party develops, of course to stop Reform moving politics to the right a Tory/Labour coalition is possible.
Very uncertain times.

Galaxy

Do you mean narratives such as men can be women, Biden is fine, puberty blockers are harmless, nothing to see with Bidens son - those false narratives, because I only saw a handful of people raising concerns about those.

Then you are reading or listening to the right stuff.

Come out of your bubble and see the wider world - you will be surprised😊

David49

The Tories ARE going to be a significant force in the next GE, everything depends on the popularity of Labour at that time, if the voter sentiment is negative a Tory/Reform coalition is quite possible.
Everything depends on the success of Starmers policies and how the Reform party develops, of course to stop Reform moving politics to the right a Tory/Labour coalition is possible.
Very uncertain times.

Where are the Libs in your scenario?

Whitewavemark2

David49

The Tories ARE going to be a significant force in the next GE, everything depends on the popularity of Labour at that time, if the voter sentiment is negative a Tory/Reform coalition is quite possible.
Everything depends on the success of Starmers policies and how the Reform party develops, of course to stop Reform moving politics to the right a Tory/Labour coalition is possible.
Very uncertain times.

Where are the Libs in your scenario?

I thought that - they will be the desired coalition partners?

Whitewavemark2

Galaxy

Do you mean narratives such as men can be women, Biden is fine, puberty blockers are harmless, nothing to see with Bidens son - those false narratives, because I only saw a handful of people raising concerns about those.

Then you are reading or listening to the right stuff.

Come out of your bubble and see the wider world - you will be surprised😊

Your world Whitewavemark2 ?
All the things that Galaxy mentions are valid but posters may want to turn a blind eye to if they’re that way inclined.

Iam64

Wyllow3

It just makes me cross with some aspects of Social Media. No wonder people don't vote, it's difficult enough finding the ways around MSM. ..but deliberate falsifying...😡

This
It’s like the entire world now follows the Donald’s lead and simply talks nonsense with the clear expectation of being believed

Mmm, like Prince Harry perhaps.

Sarnia

midgey

Unless they sharpen up and start talking policies yes I think they are. Reform are not the answer either.

I agree with you. We laugh at the Americans voting for Trump but are we any better? I don't think so.

It's beyond me how anyone can look at America under Trump can think a Trump mini-me would do them personally, or the country, any good at all.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Galaxy

Do you mean narratives such as men can be women, Biden is fine, puberty blockers are harmless, nothing to see with Bidens son - those false narratives, because I only saw a handful of people raising concerns about those.

Then you are reading or listening to the right stuff.

Come out of your bubble and see the wider world - you will be surprised😊

Your world Whitewavemark2 ?
All the things that Galaxy mentions are valid but posters may want to turn a blind eye to if they’re that way inclined.

They are definitely all valid, but galaxy suggested that they were only discussed to a small degree, and that simply isn’t correct.

I didn’t think that was it tho Whitewavemark2 more like it was only certain things being called false narratives.

They were seen as good lies by the other side though, or in some cases lies that served a greater purpose. It is very difficult for people to lecture on the lies of one side when the lies of the other side are plain for everyone to see. It is not the way those against Trump will succeed.

Wyllow3

It just makes me cross with some aspects of Social Media. No wonder people don't vote, it's difficult enough finding the ways around MSM. ..but deliberate falsifying...😡

I don’t really watch too much news, tbh- quite depressing. We got rid of our licence as I can’t stand the bbc.
I would never vote labour after the last labour government. The Tories aren’t any better tbh.

Galaxy

They were seen as good lies by the other side though, or in some cases lies that served a greater purpose. It is very difficult for people to lecture on the lies of one side when the lies of the other side are plain for everyone to see. It is not the way those against Trump will succeed.

I suspect that this will have certainly been discussed in the post-mortem’s.

If not, then they will pay the price at the next election, although the way Trump is going, and if this continues then a donkey will easily win.

Mt61

Sky coverage- I don’t have sky news.

We don’t have Sky but can get Sky News on Freeview, it is channel 233, not that we watch it very often.

The question was about the Tory Party. We have seen center right parties move further right and then lose elections in the UK, Canada and Australia. Perhaps an old fashioned "one nation" right of centre party could survive but, if they chase the far-right it appears, at the moment, they may not.

Jane43

Mt61

Sky coverage- I don’t have sky news.

We don’t have Sky but can get Sky News on Freeview, it is channel 233, not that we watch it very often.

Sky news coverage is very easy to find as it's free to read on the internet - just google "Sky News" - no paywall.

Whitewavemark2

David49

The Tories ARE going to be a significant force in the next GE, everything depends on the popularity of Labour at that time, if the voter sentiment is negative a Tory/Reform coalition is quite possible.
Everything depends on the success of Starmers policies and how the Reform party develops, of course to stop Reform moving politics to the right a Tory/Labour coalition is possible.
Very uncertain times.

Where are the Libs in your scenario?

We have liberal councillors and a Liberal MP, in a traditional Tory stronghold, the local Tories have been particularly unpopular in recent years, the big issues are planning and building.

Nationally the LD seems wishy washy with little widespread awareness of policies I don’t really see why there would be a revival.

There wouldn’t need to be a revival though David49, with status quo they would have 72 seats, which could well leave them with the cards if any other party wanted to form a coalition?

Oreo

I didn’t think that was it tho Whitewavemark2 more like it was only certain things being called false narratives.

There are very few examples of completely false narratives,

debate lies around areas where - for example - someones speech is completely re edited and cuts made that totally alter the meaning (plus real or AI images added behind the speaker

Or where its a matter of opinion where there are a lot of "Facts" but only those that suit the video maker's perspective are alluded to

or where a number of statistics are presented as "true" and it turns out the the organisation presenting them has used a couple of accurate ones mixed in with very unreliable sources...

Casdon

There wouldn’t need to be a revival though David49, with status quo they would have 72 seats, which could well leave them with the cards if any other party wanted to form a coalition?

If Labour continue in the present direction will they be compatible with Liberal ideas?. Will they get as many MPs?.
The last GE was a protest against the Tories will they recover?.

If Labour are successful with the economy it’s likely they will win a majority, if they fail, any combination is possible

Four days in, how is it going? Brand new Reform Councillor, Donna Edmunds, has already been suspended. This is how I predict/hope it will evolve.

Yes David 49, there was a fair amount of tactical voting, to get the Tories out.
Rumours are circulating that the Tories are plotting to find a new leader. Not really a surprise. Much will depend on who they select.