Israel to "conquer" Gaza

I am a Christian but if I wasn't in the name of humanity this is against everything a fair person belueves in. Is this the way the majority of Jews think, their way despite the bloodshed?

No, I'm sure it isn't - although unlike some on here, I can't claim to speak for the "majority of Jews" but I would make an educated guess.

And as a Christian, I'm surprised you feel you have to ask such a question.

NoAllsorts this isn't how all of Jews think, just like not every Palestinian supports Hamas but when you are under a repressive regime it can be dangerous to speak out. Netanyahu's accused of granting regulatory favours to Bazteq, a huge telecommunications company in exchange for positive coverage in the media. He certainly understands the power of the press but no one seems to question what information he allows out!

As soon as an authoritarian government appears to take control of the media, then you have to be very sceptical about the news being put out.

I think Trump is trying to do the same, but hopefully he will fail.

The Israeli people will have access to news other than what is allowed by Netanyahu.
Jewish people are often very intelligent and I doubt they will be fooled easily.

AGAA4

The Israeli people will have access to news other than what is allowed by Netanyahu.
Jewish people are often very intelligent and I doubt they will be fooled easily.

Yes I’m sure you are correct, which is why we see a growing level of protest in Israel, but I was looking at it from an international perspective. Most of the news media reports stuff put out by Netanyahu.

Whitewavemark2

AGAA4

The Israeli people will have access to news other than what is allowed by Netanyahu.
Jewish people are often very intelligent and I doubt they will be fooled easily.

Yes I’m sure you are correct, which is why we see a growing level of protest in Israel, but I was looking at it from an international perspective. Most of the news media reports stuff put out by Netanyahu.

The news media anywhere depends on the political agenda (bias) of the editors, and of course direct government interference. If the UK was at war it would be the same.

UK news feeds have been/are heavily biased on the Ukraine war

Actually Netanyahu does restrict what his citizens can watch in Israel.

April 2024 the regime passed a law which allows the State to close down any foreign media stations deemed to be critical of the State - the legislation allows government to issue orders valid for 45 days, temporarily preventing broadcasting and allowing for the confiscation of equipment of foreign media, if Israel’s security agencies provide an opinion proving there is a threat to national security.

Its most famous target was Al Jazeera:

but last November it Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi to banned government funding bodies from communicating with or placing advertisements in the progressive Israeli newspaper ‘Haaretz’ due to it allegedly “damaging Israel’s legitimacy”. The Israeli Journalists Union comdemned it

The International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) is concerned at the Israeli government's drift into restricting press freedom, reducing media pluralism and undermining the public’s right to know.

So add this to the banning of journalists altogether from Gaza and you're looking at the shutting down of information to not just "the world" but also the people of Israel:

and you're restricting access to the US/UK/Germany who fund military and civilian aid to Israel.

It appears they are constructing food hub sites. this BBC verify article shows on a map where they are and whats happening.
3 in a small area to the south, and one further north.

These will take a long time to come on board, and food aid is still not coming in.

Details about how they will be run are still hazy, but there is heavy military IDF posts near all of them.

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - an organisation set up to support the plan - initially said food, water and hygiene kits would be supplied to 1.2 million people, less than 60% of the population.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce82ene10p0o

The best way of eliminating bias is to have access to the widest range of media which comes from across the political spectrum
and to be aware of where on that spectrum it can be located. Just because Al-Jazeera is funded by Qatar doesn't mean everything it publishes should be disregarded anymore than everything in the Telegraph or Guardian ( for that matter) should be believed or disbelieved according to your own personal bias. However, the Uk media is much more open than that in Israel.

We’re not in a war situation Foxie48 or things would be very different.
The population in Israel still have a whole range of news options you can’t stop the Internet.

Does the Israeli government control the internet ?

It can affect the internet.

I googled what governments can do

"In essence, governments can influence the internet through various means, but they do not operate as a central authority in the same way that a traditional government might control other aspects of society.

They rely on a combination of regulation, censorship, and influence over the internet's infrastructure and content platforms.In essence, governments can influence the internet through various means, but they do not operate as a central authority in the same way that a traditional government might control other aspects of society

(Just as in the UK we have concerns about internet content on safety and can limit what platforms are available)

They are very active in censorship and favouring certain TV/Radio channels and targeting others.

The Jewish Independent paper outlines what has been happening since September 2024
thejewishindependent.com.au/netanyahus-other-war-against-israeli-media

So called “bribery” wars favouring the Fox-like Channel 14 that uncritically supports Netanyahu, undermines the independence of Israel’s national broadcaster Kan11, as well as attacks on Haaretz (think the Guardian as regards Haaretz)

“These laws are the latest in a series of attacks on Israeli media outlets since October 7, by Netanyahu, his ministers and his family, that aim to stifle public criticism and undermine free speech. They have also targeted international media organisations with attacks”

There is an article on media control, unfortunately partly behind a paywall, in Haaretz today.

“The government has turned its war on the free media into a central theme of its campaign to undermine the foundations of democracy.

The ministers, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, incite constantly against journalists, badmouth media outlets, try to curtail their activity, challenge their reliability, and even shut down the public broadcasting channels.

I'd forgotten this very internationally known public raid that happened on a decades old bookshop in East Jerusalem, the Educational Bookshop, a decades-old respected institution with Arabic- and English-language branches.

The owners of the bookshop were arrested, they tired to pin charges of "incitement" on the owners, but. had to downgrade them as there was no proof found of incitement to the catch all clause of "disrupting public order".

CNN march 2025
edition.cnn.com/2025/03/10/middleeast/israel-freedom-of-speech-crackdown-intl

The article outlines other attacks on anything that dont "toe the regimes line"

Not all in Israel support either BN or the Gaza conflict in the way it’s being carried out but there isn’t any other plan being mooted that would work.At the end of the day the government have the unenviable job of rooting out terrorist thugs, getting the last few hostages out and not allowing Gaza to be ever run by hamas again or be such a danger to Israel.In other words they’ll do what they have to do even if it means ignoring a section of their own society or the disapproval of some other countries.They can’t afford not to do this.

How do you know what plans a different Israeli government might have, Oreo? You might think the end justify the means but I think not everyone in Israel does preferring a focus on the return of the remaining hostages by negotiation not yet more violence.
Ukraine is at war but allows foreign journalists in to document the war, interestingly Russia doesn't.

I wasn’t going into the realms of fantasy by imagining what a different government would do.
The Israeli detractors haven’t put forward a credible plan to do what I said in my above post.

Just for the record Foxie48 I have never thought the end justifies the means, it all depends on the means.

A different government may negotiate, may not ,

Alternatives are cease fire and negotiations around hostages and how aid is delivered and possible international peace keeping. Right now people are starving and being bombed.
It is not the only way. The US are making noises (since visits to Saudi whose stance is a 2 state solution) about aid concerns.

You can kill people but you cant kill ideas,

and current Israeli regime policy imo is likely to throw even more Gazan citizens into anger, hate, into the ghettos around the tiny limited number of militarised sources of aid (which only cover 60% of the Gazan population )

Instead of ways of encouraging/fostering opposition there to Hamas.

Yes I do know of negotiations for ceasefire etc,I gave my opinion re the post speaking of a different government

When this happens to your child, how would you feel about the perpetrators?

Hate on both sides will never cease until the violence ceases and we are generations away from what is happening.

Oreo

We’re not in a war situation Foxie48 or things would be very different.
The population in Israel still have a whole range of news options you can’t stop the Internet.

Oreo "In other words they’ll do what they have to do even if it means ignoring a section of their own society or the disapproval of some other countries.They can’t afford not to do this. "
I assumed wrongly that you approved of this approach which tbh I took as "the end justifies the means" but apologies if you didn't mean this.

Further to my post at Fri 16-May-25 13:08:56
Russia is targeting the hotels in Ukraine used by foreign journalists to try to deter them from going to Ukraine to report on the war!

“You can kill people but you cant kill ideas,”

The allies did a pretty good job eliminating Nazi ideology and there was a significant number of sympathizers in the UK in 1940, as there are Gaza sympathizers in Israel.

We are in uncharted times I can’t ever remember a terrorist group holding an entire population hostage and using them as human shields.