Israel to "conquer" Gaza

At the beginning of the year we had ‘babies are dying of malnutrition’, some hostages were released and we saw men,
strong, healthy, active, so many of them.
Hamas built tunnels under hospitals, they live under hospitals,
yet they are not spoken of.

The Gaza health ministry is run by hamas, or not run at all at the moment more than likely.
Have to see how the food distribution works out, they will be massive hubs I expect and facial recognition is to pick out known hamas operatives not just Gazan citizens.
Something has to be done to stop the terrorists simply taking what they want and leaving Gazans high and dry.

I don’t appreciate the way what’s happening to the Palestinians is often glibly compared to the Holocaust.

Reading about the plans though, remind me if reading about the Warsaw Ghetto in Ww2. It’s shameful, shocking and completely wrong on every level.

How the Gaza Health Ministry is supposed to operate is beyond my creative thinking abilities

AGAA4

With only 4 centres a lot of people will miss out. Policing and facial recognition will scare some people apart from those who are physically unable to get to the centres.
I don't think this will work for the people in most need.

How can it? I've just checked and an end of 2024 estimate puts the population of the Gaza Strip at 2.1 million people.

4 centres for 2.1 million people? Only given food if they pass a facial recognition?

This is getting dangerously close to genocide, for many won't get the food just to survive. In crowded camps - for how else to house people - with no proper toilets/ access to clean water (for how do you suddenly set up water supplies for 2.1 million people) - disease will break out.

We are seeing a proposal to set up a Ghetto, herd them in, not the most basics like food or water adequate, no medical plans announced, impose a policing system based on management by US "security" (mercenaries) and facial recognition of anyone who wants food, no access to work or purposeful activity, and if anything was more designed to push these poor people into the arms of extremists just when some are standing up against Hamas, I cannot imagine.

The clearly inadequate food supply on its own is pushing towards ethnic cleansing/survival of the fittest. It's shameful and it's also certainly not designed to help hostages. I really hope the world speaks out against it if Netanyahu takes this route.

Wyllow3

Oreo

I think it’s the only way to get food and other aid away from the control of hamas.Is it perfect? No, but the best way.They need to start it as soon as possible.

I think the proposals for only 4 food centres for how many hundreds of thousands of people is absolutely shockingly inadequate!

I feel disgusted by the idea of facial recognition for food - goodness only knows how much that will cost - who is footing the bill? and be "policed" - if its the US then it will be private firms and mercenaries, to get food, fgs....when there are international agencies prepared to do the work not the United States....

But lets start with at least considering how 4 centres is in anyway adequate.

You can bet your life that the trump family is involved somehow,

I was listening to a podcast detailing Trumps corruption.

It is shocking and I am bewildered as to how he is getting away with it all.

With only 4 centres a lot of people will miss out. Policing and facial recognition will scare some people apart from those who are physically unable to get to the centres.
I don't think this will work for the people in most need.

Oreo

I think it’s the only way to get food and other aid away from the control of hamas.Is it perfect? No, but the best way.They need to start it as soon as possible.

I think the proposals for only 4 food centres for how many hundreds of thousands of people is absolutely shockingly inadequate!

I feel disgusted by the idea of facial recognition for food - goodness only knows how much that will cost - who is footing the bill? and be "policed" - if its the US then it will be private firms and mercenaries, to get food, fgs....when there are international agencies prepared to do the work not the United States....

But lets start with at least considering how 4 centres is in anyway adequate.

The Gaza Health Ministry (GHM), officially the Palestinian Ministry of Health – Gaza, is responsible for managing healthcare and medical services in the Gaza Strip.

I think it’s the only way to get food and other aid away from the control of hamas.Is it perfect? No, but the best way.They need to start it as soon as possible.

The reality is that news wise we get information for whats happening "on the ground" from the medical agencies.

No. They give reports, they don't run services.

Overview

Several organizations provide medical care in Gaza, including international medical aid groups and UN agencies.

International Medical Corps (IMC) is one such group, providing primary and secondary healthcare, training, and medical supplies.

Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP) also works to improve Palestinian healthcare and offers immediate medical aid. Doctors Without Borders

(MSF) provides medical and psychological assistance, while UK-Med has constructed field hospitals and provides life-saving medical aid.

UNRWA also plays a crucial role, offering health care services to Palestine refugees through its health centers"

Other agencies like MedGlobal are also involved.

Hamas runs all health services do they not ?

Or living in what amounts to a police state run partly by the USA "private contractors" (mercenaries? IDF?)

I'll explain.

Confined to a ghetto in the South, the only way people will get food and water would be through the US controlled distribution centres.

(Note no provision mentioned as to medical care whatsoever )

"Under the auspices of a newly established Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), which is based in Geneva,

aid would be delivered to just four “hubs”, where recipients would have to go to collect it under the watchful gaze of private US security contractors, who would use facial recognition technology to vet who receives it

But

"If you centralize, privatize and militarize aid delivery through this proposed hub model, it means that people will be excluded from getting humanitarian assistance,” said Joseph Belliveau, executive director of MedGlobal, which has been providing medical assistance – including to severely malnourished children – at 16 sites in Gaza.

People simply won’t be able to come to these distribution sites, either because of fear, logistical constraints, or distance

"many will be reluctant to come to centralized sites that are overseen by armed personnel, and given the way that that Israel has fought this war with incredible numbers of civilian casualties"

The best thing that the US and Israeli authorities can do is to lift the restrictions and allow us to … work safely [and] protect medical sites [and] humanitarian workers

Source of information/quotes: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/09/gaza-israeli-aid-plan#:~:text=“If%20you%20centralize%2C%20privatize%20and,to%20severely%20malnourished%20children%20–%20at

I fear that the answer to your question Wyllow is by wiping out every man, woman and child regardless .

That is the crucial question. As I said above:

"In practical terms once you have pushed all citizens to the south into a ghetto, how does the current regime intend to wipe out Hamas? They may have some specific names they want to go after,

but other than that how do they distinguish between the different views of those trapped in the enclave - those against Hamas, those who support Hamas but are not Hamas, those who may be Hamas but not identifiable as such."

David I'm sorry if I didn't word my post clearly. I do not believe that every Gazan is a supporter of Hamas, far from it. My concern is that so many Gazans have already been killed. Some will be Hamas, or supporters of Hamas, but many were not, including the children and babies. People in Israel have also been killed, both during and since the atrocities of 7 October 2023, but not in such large numbers.

It seems to have been impossible for IDF to discriminate between Hamas and their supporters, and those people who do not support Hamas, and the opportunity is there for IDF to kill even more Gazans indiscriminately once they are living in such a small area?

I hope that more Gazans are able to protest publicly against Hamas, but bearing in mind the difficulties they are living with I don't know how easy this will be?

David49

There will not be a peace deal while Hamas is ruling Gaza, both the above posts see every Gazan as a Hamas fanatic, that is committed to destroying Israel and die for the cause.

I hope that’s not true.

Not true of my post. If you have read any of my posts you will see that I don't believe every Gazan is Hamas and I fear for those Palestinians who want to live their lives in peace.

TheatreLover

AGAA4

"Hamas has got to be removed one way or the other" quote David.
As Hamas moves amongst those who are just ordinary citizens that would mean killing every Palestinian - genocide.

That is exactly how I see the situation. Now that the Palestinians have been told to move to a tiny area in the south of Gaza it is going to be even easier to kill more Gazans on the pretext that Israel has to kill all Hamas to protect Israel.

In practical terms once you have pushed all citizens to the south into a ghetto, how does the current regime intend to wipe out Hamas? They may have some specific names they want to go after,

but other than that how do they distinguish between the different views of those trapped in the enclave - those against Hamas, those who support Hamas but are not Hamas, those who may be Hamas but not identifiable as such.

Isn't it important to look to the possibility of more citizens turn against Hamas? Won't the ghetto idea just harden resolve instead of facilitating the voices?

Are they to be herded without aid or will Israel maintain its ban on aid coming in. What are the consequences for remaining hostages, who seem to have been ignored by the Israelis in the plans.

btw - the US is still saying it will control food distribution, but has not given any indication of a time scale nor whether it depends on the plans to move south. The UN are calling it a militarisation of food aid and do not support it: meanwhile a famine builds up.

Re David -

Whatever the ins and outs of the Saudi talks, it's clear that the US chose to prioritise them over Israel/Gaza. And the Saudi’s are not happy with events in Gaza. Its unclear what that means win practical terms except for looking at the balances of power in the whole region.

As regards nuclear technology of course the US want to be involved with the Saudi’s instead of Russia or China. It’s in line with the US trying to curb Chinese influence and power.

The fact remains in practical terms that Netanyahu had said that the “herding to the south”, is waiting upon Trump because of the issue of US controlling provision of food aid (and possible other factors).

It would take a re-writing of plans to act without the US, who do after all provide the majority of military aid to Israel.

Quote David49 Sat 10-May-25 10:12:31
There will not be a peace deal while Hamas is ruling Gaza, both the above posts see every Gazan as a Hamas fanatic, that is committed to destroying Israel and die for the cause.

Untrue of my post, you believe Hamas would honour any peace agreement?

There will not be a peace deal while Hamas is ruling Gaza, both the above posts see every Gazan as a Hamas fanatic, that is committed to destroying Israel and die for the cause.

I hope that’s not true.

Hamas wants to kill all Jews

AGAA4

"Hamas has got to be removed one way or the other" quote David.
As Hamas moves amongst those who are just ordinary citizens that would mean killing every Palestinian - genocide.

That is exactly how I see the situation. Now that the Palestinians have been told to move to a tiny area in the south of Gaza it is going to be even easier to kill more Gazans on the pretext that Israel has to kill all Hamas to protect Israel.

Leave Hamas free to govern Gaza and attack Israel, they have
said they want to kill all Jews in the world, ignore they include
Jewish mothers and children too