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Sycamore Gap tree verdict

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vegansrock Fri 09-May-25 15:04:58

How those two lying scumbags had the nerve to plead not guilty despite all the evidence demonstrates their arrogance and stupidity. Let’s hope the judge throws the book at them.

Allira Sun 11-May-25 12:41:20

Getting rid of the roots would be the first problem.

Oreo Sun 11-May-25 12:46:26

Probably best to leave the stump and roots in situ. As MaizieD says it will be a coppiced tree as opposed to a normal one, but could still be impressive as Sycamore are fast growers.I can see people being attracted to the site still to take selfies with all the notoriety that goes with it.
The NT could sell carved gifts from the original wood.

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 13:07:36

Keep the stump, to replace it is saying ‘ no matter, plenty as good’

Allsorts Mon 12-May-25 06:12:12

I believe the tree is regenerating and many more will be grown from it.
Those men, unfortunately haven't a brain cell between them. It was a senseless and vile thing to do. Destroying such beauty and a National Landmark. They will have time to reflect their actions and to face the wrath of people.

MaizieD Mon 12-May-25 08:28:44

I believe the tree is regenerating and many more will be grown from it.

Sycamore is a non native arboreal equivalent of a weed. I destroy thousands of sycamore seedlings every spring. Why on earth would we want more deliberately propagated? This is ridiculous sentimentality.

Oreo Mon 12-May-25 08:35:33

Ridiculous sentimentality is something we British do really well😄 if only we could export it we’d be laughing all the way to the bank.

MaizieD Mon 12-May-25 08:42:14

Oreo

Ridiculous sentimentality is something we British do really well😄 if only we could export it we’d be laughing all the way to the bank.

I’m sure someone will monetise it at some point by selling Sycamore Gap Seedlings, withe certificates of authenticity, to the sentimental. 😆

Anniebach Mon 12-May-25 08:55:56

No sentimentality, i love trees,

noun
exaggerated and self-indulgent tenderness, sadness, or nostalgia.
"there are passages which verge on sentimentality"

vintage1950 Mon 12-May-25 09:29:17

A sycamore in that isolated position is doing no harm to anybody. A sycamore in a small suburban garden is bad news. I think you are looking at this tree from the point of view of someone with a small garden with buildings close by. It isn't sentimentality - that tree was a beautiful thing.

NotSpaghetti Mon 12-May-25 09:36:23

I think it was the perfect shape in a perfect dip which just grew there in a sort of rare and unlikely perfection.

There is a tree I look at every time I pass because of a similar perfection.
It brings joy to my heart.
It is not in a dip as this Sycamore is, it is set against the skyline in such a way that it's hard to believe it just grew there without a deliberate intervention.

MaizieD Mon 12-May-25 09:55:28

vintage1950

A sycamore in that isolated position is doing no harm to anybody. A sycamore in a small suburban garden is bad news. I think you are looking at this tree from the point of view of someone with a small garden with buildings close by. It isn't sentimentality - that tree was a beautiful thing.

I was looking at it from the point of view of someone who has far more trees than people who have 'suburban gardens with buildings close by. We have oak, ash, alder, birch, sycamore, hazel, wild cherry, maple, hawthorn etc. I love trees, too.

What I am objecting to is the belief that the offspring of one tree should be extensively perpetrated for purely sentimental reasons.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 12-May-25 10:11:11

I have a rogue sycamore sapling growing in the garden - it has to be removed as it is in the entirely wrong place, but so far I haven’t the heart😦

Ilovedogs22 Mon 12-May-25 10:48:01

Whitewavemark2

I have a rogue sycamore sapling growing in the garden - it has to be removed as it is in the entirely wrong place, but so far I haven’t the heart😦

Why don't you send it up to Northumberland Whitewavemark?.😚

NotSpaghetti Mon 12-May-25 10:48:31

I'm afraid I pull up hundreds of these each year.
They are not at all the same as a mature tree!

MayBee70 Mon 12-May-25 11:37:00

MaizieD

^I believe the tree is regenerating and many more will be grown from it.^

Sycamore is a non native arboreal equivalent of a weed. I destroy thousands of sycamore seedlings every spring. Why on earth would we want more deliberately propagated? This is ridiculous sentimentality.

They ooze a horrible sap that goes all over your washing, car etc. And their seeds are poisonous to dogs I believe. They spread like wildfire, too.

vintage1950 Mon 12-May-25 12:06:59

Well, as to perpetuating that tree, one sycamore seedling is the same as any other. I don't think there have been any moves to sell or distribute the Sycamore Gap seedlings, and agree that would be pointless. Has anybody seriously suggested this?

MayBee70 Mon 12-May-25 12:48:35

I can’t help but feel that famous people that have been given seeds from the tree must have inwardly groaned at the thought of how they would have to keep on top of the many seedlings that would start sprouting up on their properties in the future. Probably best to keep them in a pot ( like mint or bamboo).

JaneJudge Mon 12-May-25 12:53:20

Sycamores kill horses as well

Allira Mon 12-May-25 13:58:09

MayBee70

I can’t help but feel that famous people that have been given seeds from the tree must have inwardly groaned at the thought of how they would have to keep on top of the many seedlings that would start sprouting up on their properties in the future. Probably best to keep them in a pot ( like mint or bamboo).

We'd be like a forest here - sycamores, oaks, beech, hazel, holly etc.

The thing is, weeds (including tiny trees) are only weeds when they're in the wrong place 🙂

Ilovedogs22 Mon 12-May-25 13:58:44

Oreo

It seems to be the most pointless thing ever doesn’t it? I can think of worst crimes tho.

Yes indeed Oreo.

MayBee70 Mon 12-May-25 14:07:13

Allira

MayBee70

I can’t help but feel that famous people that have been given seeds from the tree must have inwardly groaned at the thought of how they would have to keep on top of the many seedlings that would start sprouting up on their properties in the future. Probably best to keep them in a pot ( like mint or bamboo).

We'd be like a forest here - sycamores, oaks, beech, hazel, holly etc.

The thing is, weeds (including tiny trees) are only weeds when they're in the wrong place 🙂

Or if they're not indiginous [sp] and pose a threat to native plants?

Allira Mon 12-May-25 14:09:42

MayBee70

Allira

MayBee70

I can’t help but feel that famous people that have been given seeds from the tree must have inwardly groaned at the thought of how they would have to keep on top of the many seedlings that would start sprouting up on their properties in the future. Probably best to keep them in a pot ( like mint or bamboo).

We'd be like a forest here - sycamores, oaks, beech, hazel, holly etc.

The thing is, weeds (including tiny trees) are only weeds when they're in the wrong place 🙂

Or if they're not indiginous [sp] and pose a threat to native plants?

Oh, that Japanese knotweed and Himalayan balsam!

Grantanow Mon 12-May-25 14:40:58

Of course it was an act of vandalism which a local magistrates court could have deal with.

For a sense of proportion bear in mind that about 16 million trees have been chopped down on publicly owned land in Scotland to make way for wind farms, an SNP 'achievement' of about 1,700 trees per day according to a Telegraph report of information disclosed by the SNP Rural Affairs Minister.

Allira Mon 12-May-25 14:51:04

Apparently compensatory measures are in place to plant the equivalent nu,ber of trees elsewhere.

I did say I thought appropriate punishment for these two, now convicted of criminal damage, would be to spend a few years of compulsory tree planting. Perhaps an intensive course on Roman history in Britain, including a course on Roman wall building might be appropriate, too, so they can rebuild that part of Hadrian's Wall which they damaged.

Grantanow Mon 12-May-25 15:00:53

I doubt the SNP can plant 1,700 trees a day for the next 20 years.