Shocking report GB News 9-11 pm tonight

grannimimi

It’s important to compare like with like on legal migration. The figures were inflated by the Ukrainian scheme and the HongKong scheme and to a lesser extent the scheme for Afghanistan. It has now transpired that there are a number of agencies set up to recruit for low paid jobs overseas and colleges recruiting overseas students to facilitate immigration of one person who can then bring multiple, usually dependant family members. Apparently there are 100000 recruited overseas workers for whom jobs promised do not currently exist. There are also a number of fake colleges where students are registered but don’t attend or get qualifications. There’s also an ongoing recruitment problem in social care as it’s used as a ‘stepping stone’ to immigrate then people quite rationally move on if they can to better paying jobs. The government is now attempting to address these loopholes. It is not clear how many boat or lorry arrivals were returned prior to Brexit but the EU member Republic of Ireland which now has 20% overseas born has more asylum seekers than the UK and they are not returned to France. EU members are required to take quotas of asylum seekers and the figure of 100000 annually for the UK has been mentioned. Non compliance eg by Poland and Hungary is punished by withdrawal of funds. The EU are trying to offshore processing to third countries. The question has not been answered as to why France and other EU countries do not get sued when refugees have to live in tents whereas the UK provides hotel accommodation and social housing soon to be extended to subsidised private rented housing including to single young men who if born in the UK would not be a priority need for such housing. It is also easier to work illegally under the radar for lower than market rate wages in the UK. A clear draw for asylum seekers. The overall bill for the provision of free housing, health care and living costs would be enough and more to provide housing for those on waiting list and the homeless sleeping on the streets if invested in that way. Since we are not under the auspices of the EU the Government can create their own solutions where possible. If unchecked and unmanaged the lack of the necessary infrastructure will lead to a severe detriment on all concerned. Those living in leafy protected enclaves who can afford to mitigate the effects could consider checking their privilege before virtue signalling and denigrating those whose life experiences are negatively impacted when they express that.

Too difficult to read without paragraphs.

Whitewavemark2

Sometimes a bit of effort working on our social skills brings as much benefit as a good and useful debate.

But wouldn't 'working on our social skills' also involve those who feel it necessary to join in and comment on issues that have already been resolved?

GB news! No thank you

I think a lot of the public aren't aware of the relative numbers of legal immigrants to irregular immigrants and possibly sometimes confuse the two. Not because they are stupid or lacking in anyway but what hits the headlines.

Narratives surrounding people arriving on boats have overwhelmed the very complex issues brought up on Monday in the White Paper in aspects of legal immigration and visas, which should control numbers.

Just speaking to someone I know yesterday who does follow the news not the details she was under the impression that the majority of migrants were boat people by a long way.

Lovetopaint037

GB news! No thank you

What was GB news Lovetopaint037?

PoliticsNerd

Lovetopaint037

GB news! No thank you

What was GB news Lovetopaint037?

The OP heading…

Thanks GrannyGravy13.

NotSpaghetti

knspol - please don't call people "illegals".

Sincere apologies, not a term I would usually use, just went through post trying to make it more concise as so many long messages in response to this.

grannimimi

It’s important to compare like with like on legal migration. The figures were inflated by the Ukrainian scheme and the HongKong scheme and to a lesser extent the scheme for Afghanistan. It has now transpired that there are a number of agencies set up to recruit for low paid jobs overseas and colleges recruiting overseas students to facilitate immigration of one person who can then bring multiple, usually dependant family members. Apparently there are 100000 recruited overseas workers for whom jobs promised do not currently exist. There are also a number of fake colleges where students are registered but don’t attend or get qualifications. There’s also an ongoing recruitment problem in social care as it’s used as a ‘stepping stone’ to immigrate then people quite rationally move on if they can to better paying jobs. The government is now attempting to address these loopholes. It is not clear how many boat or lorry arrivals were returned prior to Brexit but the EU member Republic of Ireland which now has 20% overseas born has more asylum seekers than the UK and they are not returned to France. EU members are required to take quotas of asylum seekers and the figure of 100000 annually for the UK has been mentioned. Non compliance eg by Poland and Hungary is punished by withdrawal of funds. The EU are trying to offshore processing to third countries. The question has not been answered as to why France and other EU countries do not get sued when refugees have to live in tents whereas the UK provides hotel accommodation and social housing soon to be extended to subsidised private rented housing including to single young men who if born in the UK would not be a priority need for such housing. It is also easier to work illegally under the radar for lower than market rate wages in the UK. A clear draw for asylum seekers. The overall bill for the provision of free housing, health care and living costs would be enough and more to provide housing for those on waiting list and the homeless sleeping on the streets if invested in that way. Since we are not under the auspices of the EU the Government can create their own solutions where possible. If unchecked and unmanaged the lack of the necessary infrastructure will lead to a severe detriment on all concerned. Those living in leafy protected enclaves who can afford to mitigate the effects could consider checking their privilege before virtue signalling and denigrating those whose life experiences are negatively impacted when they express that.

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MaizieD

^ However, things have moved on quite a bit since the (disgusting) Enoch Powell and his awful rhetoric^

Jeez, Cossy. Are you saying that disgusting rhetoric about immigration is now acceptable?

We can lay the blame for our perceived immigration problem at the feet of Labour and tory governments as much as we like, but demonising immigrants who are in no way to blame is entirely unacceptable.

Absolutely not!!

Primrose53

grannimimi

It’s important to compare like with like on legal migration. The figures were inflated by the Ukrainian scheme and the HongKong scheme and to a lesser extent the scheme for Afghanistan. It has now transpired that there are a number of agencies set up to recruit for low paid jobs overseas and colleges recruiting overseas students to facilitate immigration of one person who can then bring multiple, usually dependant family members. Apparently there are 100000 recruited overseas workers for whom jobs promised do not currently exist. There are also a number of fake colleges where students are registered but don’t attend or get qualifications. There’s also an ongoing recruitment problem in social care as it’s used as a ‘stepping stone’ to immigrate then people quite rationally move on if they can to better paying jobs. The government is now attempting to address these loopholes. It is not clear how many boat or lorry arrivals were returned prior to Brexit but the EU member Republic of Ireland which now has 20% overseas born has more asylum seekers than the UK and they are not returned to France. EU members are required to take quotas of asylum seekers and the figure of 100000 annually for the UK has been mentioned. Non compliance eg by Poland and Hungary is punished by withdrawal of funds. The EU are trying to offshore processing to third countries. The question has not been answered as to why France and other EU countries do not get sued when refugees have to live in tents whereas the UK provides hotel accommodation and social housing soon to be extended to subsidised private rented housing including to single young men who if born in the UK would not be a priority need for such housing. It is also easier to work illegally under the radar for lower than market rate wages in the UK. A clear draw for asylum seekers. The overall bill for the provision of free housing, health care and living costs would be enough and more to provide housing for those on waiting list and the homeless sleeping on the streets if invested in that way. Since we are not under the auspices of the EU the Government can create their own solutions where possible. If unchecked and unmanaged the lack of the necessary infrastructure will lead to a severe detriment on all concerned. Those living in leafy protected enclaves who can afford to mitigate the effects could consider checking their privilege before virtue signalling and denigrating those whose life experiences are negatively impacted when they express that.

Too difficult to read without paragraphs.

Well I could read it fine. Easy. Just put your own punctuation and paragraphs in as you read.

Whitewavemark2

Freya5

vegansrock

But you do realise that legal migration is way higher than the boat incomers?? The visa system set up after Brexit has led to the current explosion in immigration and is open to all sorts of corruption and unchecked immigration. Very little vetting by the home office.

Very little vetting on these people coming across on these boats also. Goodness knows how many terrorists we are letting roam freely.

Hyperbole

Well you do not know either.

Piskey

A year ago, visiting a local riverside pub, we asked the new foreign born barman what he thought of the area. He said he came to the U.K. because he would never have got a job as bar manager in his own country. He said that most people where he came from, believed the U.K. to be the land of ‘milk and honey’. His salary is double the amount he would have earned back home.
Where did he come from? Near Barcelona, Spain.

Did he arrive on a boat? I doubt it and this shows we do have issues with perfectly legally economic migrants. A

Cossy

Honestly, it’s like Groundhog Day!

Number 1) many migrants DO stay in France and other countries.

Number 2) until (& if) International Law changes ALL asylum seekers are able to choose ANY county in which to claim asylum AND have to be in that country to make the claim.
Number 3) The UK IS a rich country compared to many!
Number 4) Many have (tentative) links to the UK and speak English.

It’s sooooo boring coming on here every day and seeing the same old, same old!

Honestly, people claim all the boats are full to overflowing with fit young men, then in the next breath claim they block our hospitals, GPs and schools? Hardly likely if they are all fit, young men!

Please get a different hobby!

Tentative being the operative word. Many speak English, many don't. Some reports suggest that many do not, Migration watch.
Gullible UK authorities take these people on no proof of where they are from, even though there may be serious doubts about their age and identity. It's not good enough.

Freya5

Primrose53
grannimimi

“It’s important to compare like with like on legal migration. The figures were inflated by the Ukrainian scheme and the HongKong scheme and to a lesser extent the scheme for Afghanistan.

Agreed

It has now transpired that there are a number of agencies set up to recruit for low paid jobs overseas and colleges recruiting overseas students to facilitate immigration of one person who can then bring multiple, usually dependant family members.

Since 2024 very few foreign born students attending colleges and Universities in the UK are allowed to bring their dependents with them. Not undergrads or below. PHD students doing research or government sponsored can apply


Apparently there are 100000 recruited overseas workers for whom jobs promised do not currently exist. There are also a number of fake colleges where students are registered but don’t attend or get qualifications.

I am not sure what the first part of this sentence means and the “fake” colleges are all but shut down

There’s also an ongoing recruitment problem in social care as it’s used as a ‘stepping stone’ to immigrate then people quite rationally move on if they can to better paying jobs.

The government is now attempting to address these loopholes. It is not clear how many boat or lorry arrivals were returned prior to Brexit, but the EU member Republic of Ireland, which now has 20% overseas born, has more asylum seekers than the UK and they are not returned to France.

EU members are required to take quotas of asylum seekers and the figure of 100000 annually for the UK has been mentioned. Non compliance eg by Poland and Hungary is punished by withdrawal of funds. The EU are trying to offshore processing to third countries.

The question has not been answered as to why France and other EU countries do not get sued when refugees have to live in tents whereas the UK provides hotel accommodation and social housing soon to be extended to subsidised private rented housing, including to single young men who if born in the UK would not be a priority need for such housing.

It is also easier to work illegally under the radar for lower than market rate wages in the UK. A clear draw for asylum seekers. The overall bill for the provision of free housing, health care and living costs would be enough and more to provide housing for those on waiting list and the homeless sleeping on the streets if invested in that way.

Since we are not under the auspices of the EU the Government can create their own solutions where possible. If unchecked and unmanaged the lack of the necessary infrastructure will lead to a severe detriment on all concerned.

Those living in leafy protected enclaves who can afford to mitigate the effects could consider checking their privilege before virtue signalling and denigrating those whose life experiences are negatively impacted when they express that.

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Too difficult to read without paragraphs.

I agree

Well I could read it fine. Easy. Just put your own punctuation and paragraphs in as you read.”

I could only read this by putting in my own paragraphs and punctuation, extremely time consuming. It’s not hard to put in one’s own paragraphs and punctuation

I dont mind legal immigration. They do jobs our young people dont want to do. Making them do it wont help. They will treat the elderly really badly. Most of the immigrants that do the work our young people refuse to do respect the elderly and also respect the chances they get to work and earn a place in our Country. I just want them to prevent the illegal immigrants not just for our sake but for the country's sake and the boat people themselves. France should be prosecuted by the ECHR for the conditions they allow these people to exist in and the danger they are sitting their watching happen.

My ex MiL's very best carers (Council nor private) were two sisters from The Sudan, in their 30's, exceptional and loving. All the family over here, working hard.

My friend had carers at home 4 times a day during the months leading to his death
Four carers, refugees from Africa. He got a map and plotted their perilous journey to safety
Lovely women, they came to his funeral

Also no one is suggesting forcing young people with no interest to be carers

I didn't see the report about the French camps, but I know that France is overwhelmed by the sheer numbers arriving too.
I recently read a report in a reputable French newspaper that said more and more immigrants are coming up via Spain. Apparently they get into boats on the Algerian coast, disembark in Spain and then take the trains heading for France. The Spanish police throw them off the trains,
but they are so desperate that they walk through the tunnels into France putting themselves in grave danger.
The French blame the Spanish for not being vigilant enough. We blame the French for not doing more, and so it goes on.

MaggsMcG

I dont mind legal immigration. They do jobs our young people dont want to do. Making them do it wont help. They will treat the elderly really badly. Most of the immigrants that do the work our young people refuse to do respect the elderly and also respect the chances they get to work and earn a place in our Country. I just want them to prevent the illegal immigrants not just for our sake but for the country's sake and the boat people themselves. France should be prosecuted by the ECHR for the conditions they allow these people to exist in and the danger they are sitting their watching happen.

I think it’s pretty sad when we welcome migrants because they do the jobs our young people don’t want to do!

Iam64

Also no one is suggesting forcing young people with no interest to be carers

There are many jobs within the care system which isn’t actually caring, admin in offices, security in homes, caretakers, cooks, cleaners. My son did laundry in a care home for a while, not the nicest job as it entailed collecting and laundering sheets etc, he did it because he needed a job! Likewise those you y people who feel it’s ok to languish at home whilst the state supports them rather than do manual work, there are still lots of unskilled roles and apprenticeships that youngsters should be prepared to take in.

Those of us who didn’t attend further education back in the day had to start off with menial tasks in most professions.

My dear late Aunt always used to say almost any job is better than no job and take pride in your work, whatever it is.

Well, it's not a job for everyone wherever they are from - but the wages are rubbish, if they were half decent wages people of different ages would do it. I just wanted to celebrate immigrants who do come and do fill these tasks well.

escaped

I didn't see the report about the French camps, but I know that France is overwhelmed by the sheer numbers arriving too.
I recently read a report in a reputable French newspaper that said more and more immigrants are coming up via Spain. Apparently they get into boats on the Algerian coast, disembark in Spain and then take the trains heading for France. The Spanish police throw them off the trains,
but they are so desperate that they walk through the tunnels into France putting themselves in grave danger.
The French blame the Spanish for not being vigilant enough. We blame the French for not doing more, and so it goes on.

When we grumble about France I always remind people of the fact they have people arriving in the south of France by sea/through Italy in huge numbers as well as whats happening in Calais. I didn't know about the Spanish side.

Wyllow3

Well, it's not a job for everyone wherever they are from - but the wages are rubbish, if they were half decent wages people of different ages would do it. I just wanted to celebrate immigrants who do come and do fill these tasks well.

I’m not knocking those migrants who do come here and work hard for poor wages!

I just don’t really like the attitude of young people (some of course, not all), thinking it’s ok for migrants to do jobs they wouldn’t!