Fishing

I am not going to type more until we know more.

Oreo

He’s doing his best to make sure Farage ends up in number 10.
Maybe he doesn’t like being PM after all.

Well if Farage as PM works as hard for the fishing industry as he did on the EU fisheries committee then it won't get them very far. In three years he attended one of 42 meetings.

Don't let facts get in the way of a an emotive stirring.
From what I’ve read thus far it’s a decent deal and smart negotiation on both sides.

25Avalon

If the Eu can fish in our waters themselves why would they buy from our fishermen?

Because the fish we do catch is mostly sold to the EU. and it has just become easier because we can now process our fish catch in the UK into products we can sell abroad which we weren't able to do under previous agreements

"Yes, a significant portion of UK-caught fish is exported to the EU. In 2023, the EU was the largest market for UK seafood exports, accounting for 71% of the total value of fish exports. Specifically, France, Spain, and the Republic of Ireland are key destinations for UK seafood"

Uk citizens fish preferences are not mainly for the seafood we do catch.

However, the fish we do like, like Cod, and Haddock are caught by UK ships in non UK waters as stocks are so low

UK fishermen target cod in both UK waters and in distant waters, like those around Norway, Iceland, and Greenland, where cod stocks are more plentiful

Jaxjacky

Don't let facts get in the way of a an emotive stirring.
From what I’ve read thus far it’s a decent deal and smart negotiation on both sides.

If people read the full story - Scottish Salmon delighted, we can now process our fish and sell more abroad, and the whole package of trade deals is not even out yet with the benefits for the UK,

The jumping on the bandwagon - with inadequate facts - before the conference has even finished is political grandstanding of the worst kind - misinformation and selective.

Wyllow3

25Avalon

If the Eu can fish in our waters themselves why would they buy from our fishermen?

Because the fish we do catch is mostly sold to the EU. and it has just become easier because we can now process our fish catch in the UK into products we can sell abroad which we weren't able to do under previous agreements

"Yes, a significant portion of UK-caught fish is exported to the EU. In 2023, the EU was the largest market for UK seafood exports, accounting for 71% of the total value of fish exports. Specifically, France, Spain, and the Republic of Ireland are key destinations for UK seafood"

Uk citizens fish preferences are not mainly for the seafood we do catch.

However, the fish we do like, like Cod, and Haddock are caught by UK ships in non UK waters as stocks are so low

*UK fishermen target cod in both UK waters and in distant waters, like those around Norway, Iceland, and Greenland, where cod stocks are more plentiful*

Presumably Iceland, Norway and Green land are happy to let us trawl their waters.

EU fisherman also trawl those waters. It's about where you can catch what. The popular fish and chip fish cannot be caught in UK waters by anyone as the stocks are so low.

What it means is a change from small fishing boats for these fish to larger companies with larger boats and refrigeration facilities.

The depletion of stocks of fish the UK like by smaller local boats has been happening for years until it was recognised they were likely to disappear altogether, and its not EU rules that has stopped this sort of fishing, its over fishing for years.

Am I right in thinking that few people have mentioned or even cared about what’s been happening to our fishing industry since Brexit. Until, that is, it’s included in a new trade deal with the EU. Can someone remind me how much of our GDP is tied up in fishing. Now, all of a sudden, everyone’s talking about fishing again.

What’s proposed sounds a decent two-way deal to me. I think Starmer is doing well here.

Well, I just sincerely hope that both GN's and the press review the whole situation on trade and security when it's clear, including the advantages gained by trade standards agreements which affect agriculture and fishing products.

Wouldn’t want to be a fisherman. Sacrificial lambs.

nanna8

Wouldn’t want to be a fisherman. Sacrificial lambs.

Wrong. Where are you getting your information?

nanna8

Wouldn’t want to be a fisherman. Sacrificial lambs.

Can you tell me ( as you’re an expert on British politics) how Brexit helped the fishermen? And the effect that this new deal will have on them?

Has done for the next 12 years.

mabon1

Has done for the next 12 years.

Certainty, less bureaucracy and a bigger market.

I’ve skimmed through the recently produced news relating to the whole meeting and I think it’s very positive.

It’s certainly better than the mess the Tories left us with, re Brexit.

I don’t think, for some out there (& maybe on here too) Starmer can do a solitary thing right!

MayBee70

Am I right in thinking that few people have mentioned or even cared about what’s been happening to our fishing industry since Brexit. Until, that is, it’s included in a new trade deal with the EU. Can someone remind me how much of our GDP is tied up in fishing. Now, all of a sudden, everyone’s talking about fishing again.

Good point MayBee.

The UK fishing industry contributes to the UK economy an amount equivalent to that of the tatoo industry!

But, because fishing is mentioned in the same breath as Brexit, suddenly it’s the ‘life blood’ of the country🤷‍♀️

Too late, that’s our fishermen/women, farmers, steel workers, pensioners, our young folk, pretty much all of us except the wealthy that he has Mullered one way or another, all for the sake of the mythical £22 billion hole that has already been proved not to have existed

SaxonGrace

Too late, that’s our fishermen/women, farmers, steel workers, pensioners, our young folk, pretty much all of us except the wealthy that he has Mullered one way or another, all for the sake of the mythical £22 billion hole that has already been proved not to have existed

So Farmers I understand and those pensioners losing their WFA (many of whom didn't even spend it on fuel) m
How has KS “mullered” the rest?

Wyllow3

EU fisherman also trawl those waters. It's about where you can catch what. The popular fish and chip fish cannot be caught in UK waters by anyone as the stocks are so low.

What it means is a change from small fishing boats for these fish to larger companies with larger boats and refrigeration facilities.

The depletion of stocks of fish the UK like by smaller local boats has been happening for years until it was recognised they were likely to disappear altogether, and its not EU rules that has stopped this sort of fishing, its over fishing for years.

I suppose if UK waters have been overfished and not producing the kind of fish we like to eat, it doesnt matter who else is fishing in our water anyway.

Teazel2

Please do not give away our fishing waters Starmer!

We never did get our waters back.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

Cossy

I’ve skimmed through the recently produced news relating to the whole meeting and I think it’s very positive.

It’s certainly better than the mess the Tories left us with, re Brexit.

I don’t think, for some out there (& maybe on here too) Starmer can do a solitary thing right!

I skimmed through the newspapers and found this summary.
And now a look at the morning papers.

Several headlines speak of BETRAYAL as the government prepares it's deal with the EU."

DAILY EXPRESS quotes a Conservative against selling-out BREXIT "freedoms"

DAILY MAIL Sir Keir has been warned against binding the UK to EU rules

DAILY TELEGRAPH Labour MPs are worried the agreement will drive voters into the arms of REFORM UK and undermine last week's pledge to crack down on immigration.

TIMES talks about the deal are going down to the wire.

THE GUARDIAN reminiscent of BREXIT talks - British officials are still trying to reach agreement with their counterparts in Brussels.

...the usual running order
...^the usual weighting to right wing sources^

So what are people supposed to read?

Teazel2

Wyllow3

EU fisherman also trawl those waters. It's about where you can catch what. The popular fish and chip fish cannot be caught in UK waters by anyone as the stocks are so low.

What it means is a change from small fishing boats for these fish to larger companies with larger boats and refrigeration facilities.

The depletion of stocks of fish the UK like by smaller local boats has been happening for years until it was recognised they were likely to disappear altogether, and its not EU rules that has stopped this sort of fishing, its over fishing for years.

I suppose if UK waters have been overfished and not producing the kind of fish we like to eat, it doesnt matter who else is fishing in our water anyway.

I think its a matter of making the best of what we can and do fish, and there is profit in selling it abroad, except we will now be able to process our catch into products and sell them abroad for added value profit.

But lets have a true picture of who fishermen and women are working for:

Under the last government

Half of U.K. quota has been sold to foreign interests and 2/3rds are in the hands of extremely wealthy owners

So what about the remaining small fishermen and women, and their communities:

Later today the government will also unveil a “fishing and coastal growth fund”, which will be £360 million of investment in coastal communities

The last government failed to support fishing in this way and is now turning and shouting - what hypocrisy.

This money could be spent not only on setting up local processing businesses but also allowing the remaining one third small fisherman to invest in the larger vessels that can travel to fishing grounds for the profitable cod and haddock.

Meanwhile Scottish Salmon is the UK’s largest food export has welcomed the deal as a breakthrough. Why are we ignoring this?

What are people supposed to read?

Well, for a start, it's only worth reading commentaries that have been written since the bigger picture has emerged. the grants to communities: the Salmon fishing picture.....

its only worth reading commentaries that factor in the selling off of our fish quotas abroad

its only worth reading commentaries that include the money released for communities

its only worth reading in depth articles that include the depletion of fish stocks so we realise that our cod and gap-dock cannot be fished in these contested waters anyway.

😂 haddock not gap-dock....