Gaza and Aid

NotSpaghetti

Both are very very wrong and evil.

The atrocities of 7 October were horrendous and willfully starving people is too.

Different but both wicked.

Most definitely.

Why on earth do we have to keep repeating the fact that 7th October was a diabolical act of horror?

Let’s take it as fact that it was abhorrent and accept that we all agree on it.

Then use our energy and turn to the possibility that thousands of lives could be saved if Israel ceased its war crimes.

I note that Egypt has cut off diplomatic relations.

The NYT is reporting the response by the U.K., Canada and France.

I note that the U.K. has sanctioned some of the extreme settlers - not before time - but they need to be stopped now!

In my opinion, Israel is condemning itself to perpetual war if it does not cease and turn to diplomacy in order to bring peace to the area. I also think that it will be in danger of losing the land known as Israel altogether if it carries on as it is. It is entirely reliant on one country for its existence, and nothing can be relied upon for ever. War is never the answer, and its neighbours are making clear that their patience is running out.

Hamas = diplomacy

No report from Gaza can be considered reliable given Hamas intimidation (and that includes medics, aid workers and journalists in Gaza).

Quote Grantanow Wed 21-May-25 10:42:20
No report from Gaza can be considered reliable given Hamas intimidation (and that includes medics, aid workers and journalists in Gaza).

This is true , they built their tunnels under schools and hospitals

Grantanow

No report from Gaza can be considered reliable given Hamas intimidation (and that includes medics, aid workers and journalists in Gaza).

If there is a strip of land with a population of 2 million, is occupied by a strong military force, who has reduced most of it to rubble, the ghettoise them into a tiny area , and then stopped ALL supplies of food, water and fuel - guess what happens!

It does take much intelligence to work that one out does it. We don’t need to people suffering the consequences to tell us do we?

It wont be considered reliable if you wont accept what's happening in Gaza Grantanow.

We shouldn't have too keep repeating that fact Whitewavemark but if we don't, we're accused of supporting terrorists by those choosing to ignore the act of genocide which is happening to the Palestinians.

Hamas doesn’t care for the population of Gaza so Israel is unfortunately playing into their hands by committing war crimes and alienating its allies. Hamas will continue to use civilians as human shield but no matter how abhorrent that is, the rest of the world can only see the horror of children being bombed or starved.

Nothing "unfortunate" about the appalling murder of the 15 international aid workers by the IDF in a medical aid convoy, on the 23rd March. The dead were buried hurriedly and left.

The IDF originally claimed troops opened fire because the convoy approached "suspiciously" in darkness without headlights or flashing lights. It said movement of the vehicles had not been previously co-ordinated or agreed with the army.

When they came to be dug up for ID, a video on one of the dead medics phones showed ambulances with flashing lights, workers with high vis jackets, and the shooting before he died.

"The footage shows the vehicles pulling up on the road when shooting begins just before dawn.

The video continues for more than five minutes, with the paramedic saying his last prayers before the voices of Israeli soldiers are heard approaching the vehicles.

It also shows the vehicles were clearly marked and the paramedics wearing reflective hi-vis uniform.

The bodies of the 15 dead workers were buried in sand. They were not uncovered until a week after the incident because international agencies, including the UN, could not organise safe passage to the area or locate the spot"

How many UN aid workers were sacked for being involved with
the invasion of Israel by Hamas ?

Over 400 workers have died in Gaza. Are they all Hamas supporters?

Quote MayBee70 Wed 21-May-25 15:26:04
Over 400 workers have died in Gaza. Are they all Hamas supporters

I don’t know how many have died, I don’t know their beliefs

The UN has been forced to correct a claim that 14000 children could die in 48 hours.

The UN says this was in fact a projected figure of severe malnutrition over the next year assuming there is no increase in aid.

Picked up and unchecked by BBC Radio 4 and widely reported from then on. The BBC has now conceded that this was a "misrepresentation of a humanitarian report". The corporation issued a correction to it's claim but buried it in a long article about Gazan aid.

I post this as a balance - not in any way to demonstrate any personal bias. Like many, I am appalled at the situation. One dead child is one too many.

It does however show the rate at which incorrect, unchecked reporting by an allegedly non-biased organisation is picked up and run with by major worldwide reporting platforms.

And believed by so many.

Thank you ferry23 , I thank God the figure is incorrect

Oh thank goodness, only a few children then. Well that's okay, we can all relax.
Seriously?????

If Israel wants 'true' reporting, then perhaps they should desist from targeting the Press (more have been killed in that wee space of Gaza, than during the whole of WW2) and even, my goodness, allow some authorized reporters to have alook.

The UN has been forced to correct a claim that 14000 children could die in 48 hours.

The UN says this was in fact a projected figure of severe malnutrition over the next year assuming there is no increase in aid
I thank God that it is only a projected figure over the next year and assuming that there is an increase in aid then please let it be reduced to zero. One child dying of malnutrition is one too many.

I knew that figure was a deliberate lie 14,000 in days was just simply unbelievable but as you say ferry23 was swallowed hook line and sinker.
Nobody wants any children to die, ever, but it’s sadly what happens sometimes in wars and conflicts.
I thought last week that it was time for aid to go in again so hope it does get delivered very soon now.
Israel were wanting to get movement on the hostages so tried this tactic, which will probably work as hamas can only cling on by consent of the people, once they turn against hamas it’s the beginning of the end for them.
There’s a fine line tho, between that and what would happen if aid isn’t delivered soon, and Israel doesn’t want to lose all goodwill from its allies.It will still continue it’s offensive against hamas but must realise that aid must continue as well IMO.

That goodwill is seeping away.

And how will the people of Gaza show that they have 'turned against' Hamas? They don't have the energy to do anything but try to survive.

Maremia

Oh thank goodness, only a few children then. Well that's okay, we can all relax.
Seriously?????

As I said in my post, I posted this as a balance to demonstrate that we simply cannot take as gospel every single report that is published and then repeated ad infinitum.

Nobody, but nobody has ever suggested or said that it's ok for a "few" children to die. In fact I said precisely the opposite.

It is posts such as yours Maremia that inflames an already divisive and sensitive topic and can very easily be interpreted to be a prejudicial opinion.

Maremia

And how will the people of Gaza show that they have 'turned against' Hamas? They don't have the energy to do anything but try to survive.

They don’t need to physically rebel against hamas, it’s enough that they blame them for what’s happened in Gaza and never want them in power again.

In the beginning, Hamas, did not have an overwhelming majority, but they did begin to 'eliminate' the opposition, pretty much in the same way as Putin has remained in power. I have said this before, had I been living in Gaza at that time, I would not have had the bravery to stand up to this intimidation. So, in the midst of all of the destruction around them, to whom do they relate their 'blame' of Hamas? To the no longer existing independent reporters?
Whether or not they start to 'blame' Hamas, in a manner of your satisfaction, the children should not be starved to death. That is the discussion.

I was not replying to your post ferry23, but to subsequent comments of relief about the numbers.

Maremia

In the beginning, Hamas, did not have an overwhelming majority, but they did begin to 'eliminate' the opposition, pretty much in the same way as Putin has remained in power. I have said this before, had I been living in Gaza at that time, I would not have had the bravery to stand up to this intimidation. So, in the midst of all of the destruction around them, to whom do they relate their 'blame' of Hamas? To the no longer existing independent reporters?
Whether or not they start to 'blame' Hamas, in a manner of your satisfaction, the children should not be starved to death. That is the discussion.

I believe that’s just what I have said.