Lucy Connolly appeal Rejected

Doodledog

'Some posters'?

I am not forbidding (is that 'verboten'?) discussion, just giving an opinion. I know women who have lost children, and they wouldn't use that as an excuse for anything much. Crying at nativity plays or similar, maybe, but not murder or incitement thereto.

You are right that we don't know anyone's circumstances, but the judge knew LC's, and took account of it (see Wyllow's posts for detail) and still decided that a custodial sentence was appropriate. How can we on this thread assume that we know more than the judge?

No, not you.

I do not condone what she did, but it intrigues me to know why people act as they do.

Allira

Fair enough and a well-reasoned post, Doodledog.
Suggesting that mothers who lose children are prone to that sort of behaviour is an insult to the many women who suffer their losses without inciting others to murder.
No, it is not, as we don't know the exact circumstances of anyone's loss. You don't know mine, I don't know yours and some women may have PTSD, unresolved anger issues and have required counselling which they did not receive. Others may cope better.

I was musing as to why she acted as she did and did say she was wrong, what she did was shocking but apparently discussion is verboten by some posters.

Go on then! Name and shame! Which posters on this thread have tried to stop discussion? It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if I'm one of the "some posters". If that's the case, I haven't tried to shut anybody down. I have stated my reasons for thinking as I do. I'm sure anybody advocating free speech would agree that I have every right to do that.

Yes, I know what you mean - it's interesting if we can detach from the horror of the incident.

I think she is just a racist. There is no other explanation that makes sense to me.

Cross post, growstuff. Not ignoring you.

Who is forbidding people from discussing? That's why the site is moderated.
Discuss away.
We are all of equal value I think?

Allira
Connolly had no previous convictions.
It’s not worth discussing really as the ‘hang ‘em and flog ‘em’ brigade are out in force unfortunately.We have all said our piece at least.😃

So are the ‘poor woman, let’s turn a blind eye to her breaking the law with incitement to murder’ brigade. Nobody will change anybody else’s mind, but it has indeed been a revealing thread.

I suspect this is the first time I’ve been identified as part of the hang’em and flog’em brigade. I’d usually expect to be in the woolly liberal brigade or worse - woke.

I’m not in support of capital or corporal punishment. I’m not in any ‘brigade’ either . If I were, I suppose it would be the Keep Streets Safe From Mobs Brigade, or the Anti Terror Brigade.

Having no previous convictions doesn’t excuse her either. She has form for posting racist tweets, which shows that this wasn’t a one-off aberration. It’s who she is.

I agree that this thread has been revealing, Casdon. It’s beyond me that anyone would want to defend her - I just don’t understand it.

Iam64

I suspect this is the first time I’ve been identified as part of the hang’em and flog’em brigade. I’d usually expect to be in the woolly liberal brigade or worse - woke.

Join the clan! Is it possible to hang and flog wokely?

floke?

It's exhausting playing cards whilst being in a brigade.

😁 I didn’t expect anyone to say that the cap fits them, and yes indeed it’s been an interesting if depressing thread.

Which cap are you wearing Oreo? An ‘apologist for incitement to racially aggravated murder’ one?

Do you think people can’t have their own opinions? We don’t need to belong to ‘brigades’ - most of us can think for ourselves.

I seem to have hit a nerve.I have my opinion and you have yours.

Northampton is a diverse little town. She was married to one of its councillors (I don't think it matters if it was blue, red, green or whatever) She suggested people go and commit arson and murder, in my opinion I don't care if she is being made an example of.

Not sure that she is suitable to be a child minder. Presumably her licence to do so has been withdrawn.

It would come on a DBS check now? She didn't even write herself a code of conduct

Iam64

I suspect this is the first time I’ve been identified as part of the hang’em and flog’em brigade. I’d usually expect to be in the woolly liberal brigade or worse - woke.

Me too Iam.

In a matter of days I appear to have gone from the ‘lefty mob’ to the ‘hang em and flog em brigade’.

I’m getting dizzy.

It would certainly show up on an enhanced DBS check but I’m not sure she would be debarred. It may be up to the employer and type of employment? Also dont convictions get spent at some time? She has not been proven a danger to children apropos safeguarding as such.

In the case of Shamina Begum a statement was published to the effect that if the full facts of the case were made public, there would be no doubt about the decisions made. I am not comparing the behaviour of the individuals, but it seems that this was not a one off posting, and the courts had more information than was made available at the time to the media.

Am I in the hang'em and flog'em brigade? If I am I'll need to get my contributions to the thread "43,000 prisoners to be let out early" ( incidentally started by the same person who started this thread) deleted as I'm definitely in favour of reducing the prison population using methods that reduce recidivism. It's really interesting comparing what people have put on both threads!
Fwiw this is the only post that I've seen on GN about letting an individual out of prison early (happy to be corrected) so I suspect it's about something else entirely! Would this thread have been started if the people targeted by Lucy Connolly in her tweets had been a different group of people eg Catholics, Jews, lesbians etc? Would people be giving money to her family and making a fuss because her appeal had failed?

Just for those who would like to know
Mob = a group of people sharing the same or similar views who back each other up and support each other. Thanks for your understanding and I have no idea what it means in the UK, I was raised there but haven’t lived there for over 50 years. Obviously I am on a different planet from the majority because I feel sorry for this misguided woman and think putting her in jail was appalling. Vindictive and as bad as the ‘crime’ she committed.

25Avalon

It would certainly show up on an enhanced DBS check but I’m not sure she would be debarred. It may be up to the employer and type of employment? Also dont convictions get spent at some time? She has not been proven a danger to children apropos safeguarding as such.

Blimey, a known racist who has served a term in prison, is hardly suitable child minding material. I would imagine that the parents of the children she had been minding must have been pretty horrified!

mob here means sticking with your own type and displaying the same behaviours

this is what google says

a large and disorderly crowd of people
1. : a large and disorderly crowd of people. especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action. 2. informal : a large number of people.

25Avalon

It would certainly show up on an enhanced DBS check but I’m not sure she would be debarred. It may be up to the employer and type of employment? Also dont convictions get spent at some time? She has not been proven a danger to children apropos safeguarding as such.

This is from the government website:

"All convictions resulting in a custodial sentence, whether or not suspended, will always be disclosed."

www.gov.uk/government/publications/dbs-filtering-guidance/dbs-filtering-guide