Lucy Connolly appeal Rejected

nanna8

Just for those who would like to know
Mob = a group of people sharing the same or similar views who back each other up and support each other. Thanks for your understanding and I have no idea what it means in the UK, I was raised there but haven’t lived there for over 50 years. Obviously I am on a different planet from the majority because I feel sorry for this misguided woman and think putting her in jail was appalling. Vindictive and as bad as the ‘crime’ she committed.

Don't you believe in punishment for incitement to murder?

foxie48

Am I in the hang'em and flog'em brigade? If I am I'll need to get my contributions to the thread "43,000 prisoners to be let out early" ( incidentally started by the same person who started this thread) deleted as I'm definitely in favour of reducing the prison population using methods that reduce recidivism. It's really interesting comparing what people have put on both threads!
Fwiw this is the only post that I've seen on GN about letting an individual out of prison early (happy to be corrected) so I suspect it's about something else entirely! Would this thread have been started if the people targeted by Lucy Connolly in her tweets had been a different group of people eg Catholics, Jews, lesbians etc? Would people be giving money to her family and making a fuss because her appeal had failed?

What about Tyler Kay, who was sentenced to 38 months?

He retweeted Lucy Connolly's post, which was part of the prosecution evidence, and then gave people advice about not getting caught.

In his defence, he claimed it was a joke and he just wanted to impress people. Why aren't people campaigning to have him released early? He didn't actually participate in any of the riots either.

Arguably all criminals are 'misguided'. The question is who is guiding them to commit crimes. Which brings us full circle yet again.

Whitewavemark2

25Avalon

It would certainly show up on an enhanced DBS check but I’m not sure she would be debarred. It may be up to the employer and type of employment? Also dont convictions get spent at some time? She has not been proven a danger to children apropos safeguarding as such.

Blimey, a known racist who has served a term in prison, is hardly suitable child minding material. I would imagine that the parents of the children she had been minding must have been pretty horrified!

She was self-employed, so the contract of employment was with the parents. I don't think the offence would actually bar her from childminding, but the sentence would show up on the certificate and it would be up to individual parents whether they wanted to employ her.

But doesn’t she need some sort of “licence” to operate as a childminder? If not then imo that is a gap in the safety law.

My point being is her influence over the children at such an incredibly important time in their development.

Whitewavemark2

My point being is her influence over the children at such an incredibly important time in their development.

Clearly there are those who think that racism and incitement to murder is acceptable, so maybe she won't struggle to find people willing to let her indoctrinate look after their children.

Does it not come under the dept. Of Ed somewhere?

Tyler Kay! That's interesting, he retweeted Lucy Connolly's post, apparently she had 9,000 followers! He gave some advice about how not to get caught but didn't actually take part in the riots, he got 38 months. He also suggested the offices of Immigration lawyers that should be burned down, pleaded guilty. No one seems to be suggesting he should get out early and he's got three young children.

Doodledog
No, clearly there are not people who think that the charge of incitement to murder or racism is acceptable but there are those who think that this woman could have been punished in a non custodial way. SM is still a relatively new concept where crime is concerned and she had no convictions whatsoever.
The UK jails more than any other European country and it’s high time other methods were used.
I see there are now on this page holier than thou vindictive comments about her childminding capabilities.
To borrow a good old Aussie word ‘Strewth!’

No not holier than thou comments, but comments about the suitability of a racist criminal to be in charge of young children.

And calling comments vindictive when excusing comments about burning people alive beggars belief.

For all you know, she was a fabulous childminder who loves children, so yes, it is vindictive to cast doubt on that.
Are you going to interrogate all childminders for their views?
Not only is a prison sentence unfair but remarks about her personality and job capabilities are just adding to the witch hunt.

People who work in education or care are subject to regular SM checks by their employers now. Ofsted will have their own rules regarding criminal convictions.

I do realise as a childminder she would be self employed btw. I'm just introducing the idea that as part of someone's contract now they may have a SM check prior to being offered employment and those checks may be done regular when working with vulnerable people, including children. So there is whole load of people (myself included) who are careful about what they post online - even benign stuff.

Teachers can be sacked for posts on SM that are deemed to bring the school into disrepute - most hide their profiles so they can't be used against them. This is things like drinking too much on holiday, or comments about having a hard day at work that can be construed as disrespectful to the class that was taught that day - not about burning people alive.

No, of course I am not going to interrogate anyone. It's not my place to do so, but I am as entitled to an opinion, as you are. Why is mine a 'witch hunt' and yours just an opinion? Double standards?

Fortunately it's not up to us to decide if LC is a suitable person to be a childminder. This will cover most childminders I think. tbh I think it's unlikely she would receive registration,

You must register as a childminder if all of the following apply:

the children are under the age of 8
you look after them for more than 2 hours a day
you look after them in your own home
you get paid to look after them - including payment in kind

Doodledog, they are so strict re alcohol now!

Not only yours Doodledog and mine aren’t a witch hunt as I have never said anything bad about Lucy Connolly.I think she has been treated over harshly with the conviction and it’s very low to then go on to say things about her childminding.
As you can guess I’m very against a lot of prison sentences and the government are now being forced to come round to that way of thinking too.

Give a person a prison sentence and then take away their livelihood is that what a civilised society does?

foxie48

Fortunately it's not up to us to decide if LC is a suitable person to be a childminder. This will cover most childminders I think. tbh I think it's unlikely she would receive registration,

You must register as a childminder if all of the following apply:

the children are under the age of 8
you look after them for more than 2 hours a day
you look after them in your own home
you get paid to look after them - including payment in kind

Ofstead in this case:

"ITV News Anglia understands that Mrs Connolly has resigned her Ofsted registration and Childcare UK, a listings site for childcare providers, said: "Earlier today, we received information about a highly inappropriate tweet sent by a Twitter user unknown to us.

"Allegations later emerged that this individual may be an Ofsted registered childminder who had an advert on our platform. We took immediate action to suspend this advertiser."

www.itv.com/news/anglia/2024-08-07/childminder-and-wife-of-tory-councillor-arrested-for-inciting-racial-hatred

its also in the court report

"aware of a public backlash against her tweet of 29 July. She knew that the police and Ofsted had been tagged in some of the posts. She said that if Ofsted were to get involved, she would tell them it was not her and that she had been the victim of doxing (which we understand to mean the act of publishing private or identifying information about a particular individual, typically with malicious intent). She went on to say that if she got arrested she would “play the mental health card”.

Of course the government is only slashing sentences and looking into other means than prison as a way of punishment for many offenders as the prisons are bursting at the seams.
Still, it’s a move in the right direction.

Oreo

For all you know, she was a fabulous childminder who loves children, so yes, it is vindictive to cast doubt on that.
Are you going to interrogate all childminders for their views?
Not only is a prison sentence unfair but remarks about her personality and job capabilities are just adding to the witch hunt.

I believe they have to attend training and are checked regularly. Diversity training is part of this. A childminder must for example provide a range of toys which reflect a multicultural society.

It will be an Ofstead/Childcare UK matter to decide if she wishes to re-register. Its not an automatic disqualification with a criminal record, its passing the DBS checks re children and vulnerable adults.

foxie48

Tyler Kay! That's interesting, he retweeted Lucy Connolly's post, apparently she had 9,000 followers! He gave some advice about how not to get caught but didn't actually take part in the riots, he got 38 months. He also suggested the offices of Immigration lawyers that should be burned down, pleaded guilty. No one seems to be suggesting he should get out early and he's got three young children.

That's my point. The difference is that he doesn't seem to have the right influence in the appropriate places.

I think she'll feature on topical TV programmes and other media and get paid work supporting freedom of speech organisations.