Lucy Connolly appeal Rejected

I’m not sure that a silent vigil inside the protected zone outside an abortion clinic is not intimidating to a woman who is going through the door into the clinic. Surely the very presence is intimidating, and you can’t predict what the person holding the vigil will do.

There was no evidence that the loss of her child was affecting her 12 years later. Not only that, but she she stated before trial that she would "play the mental health card".
🤔

Do you honestly not think that, having lost a young child, those memories did not affect her still? Do you not think that, even if latent, those feelings of loss and grief might not be triggered by hearing such horrendous news involving children?

LizzieDrip

nanna do you have any examples of just how our freedom of speech is compromised in the UK?

As someone who lives here, I haven’t noticed, but maybe I’m not being vigilant enough, and you can enlighten me from the other side of the world.

Not condemning, just enquiring … because we are free to question and challenge others’ POV.

Coincidentally, I was just chatting with an Australian visitor about this.

They mentioned cases of women who have been arrested for holding silent vigils outside abortion clinics. In one case, the police eventually dropped the charges and the woman was awarded compensation. The woman had been accused of breaching a Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) brought in by Birmingham City Council.

She is not the only one who has been arrested for holding a silent vigil.

The people who really deserve some sympathy - the parents of the little girls who were murdered - seem to have been overshadowed.

nanna8

Anyone who has lost a child,as Connolly has, has my sympathy. Sometimes when you have experienced enormous grief you can develop some strange ideas. I am not saying this is the case for her but it may well be a factor and should have been taken into consideration before they chucked her in jail. I can’t really see why Trump should be involved but I do think that free speech is compromised in the UK and has been for some time.
It is not what it once was. No doubt the GN lefty mob will condemn me for saying so but I am convinced of this.

Psychiatric reports were produced at the original trial. There was no evidence that the loss of her child was affecting her 12 years later. Not only that, but she she stated before trial that she would "play the mental health card".

Doodledog

I would love to see an example of how free speech in the UK has been compromised. I believe that Elon Musk said something to that effect, but he didn't substantiate it either. His comments were, of course, repeated (as these things are), which brings us back full circle. What people read online (and off) influences their opinion and in many cases determines the narrative.

That is exactly why 'free speech' has never meant 'freedom to incite violence or hatred'.

... and why the Lucy Connolly case has never been a free speech issue (sigh).

^ Obviously there are numerous cases such as Forstater where free speech was compromised.^
Agree with you Galaxy.
Allison Bailey and Kathleen Stock are other glaring examples.

nanna8

So predictable ….

So,predictable that Wyllow once again summarises the trial and evidence, which confirms mitigating circumstances were present in the trial and appeal.

Calling posters who don’t always share your views a lefty mob 🤔

Well Musk reinstated many of the gender critical voices that were banned on twitter so I am grateful to him for that. Obviously there are numerous cases such as Forstater where free speech was compromised.

What is?

So predictable ….

I would love to see an example of how free speech in the UK has been compromised. I believe that Elon Musk said something to that effect, but he didn't substantiate it either. His comments were, of course, repeated (as these things are), which brings us back full circle. What people read online (and off) influences their opinion and in many cases determines the narrative.

That is exactly why 'free speech' has never meant 'freedom to incite violence or hatred'.

nanna8

Anyone who has lost a child,as Connolly has, has my sympathy. Sometimes when you have experienced enormous grief you can develop some strange ideas. I am not saying this is the case for her but it may well be a factor and should have been taken into consideration before they chucked her in jail. I can’t really see why Trump should be involved but I do think that free speech is compromised in the UK and has been for some time.
It is not what it once was. No doubt the GN lefty mob will condemn me for saying so but I am convinced of this.

nanna, I've posted this to you once already I believe.

It was taken into consideration both at the original guilty plea and in the appeal at great length. so I'm posting the proof yet again

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf

mitigating factors run right through the case.

If you read sections 24, 25, 26, 28, 31 (and right on through the case) you can read it for yourself.

nanna do you have any examples of just how our freedom of speech is compromised in the UK?

As someone who lives here, I haven’t noticed, but maybe I’m not being vigilant enough, and you can enlighten me from the other side of the world.

Not condemning, just enquiring … because we are free to question and challenge others’ POV.

Anyone who has lost a child,as Connolly has, has my sympathy. Sometimes when you have experienced enormous grief you can develop some strange ideas. I am not saying this is the case for her but it may well be a factor and should have been taken into consideration before they chucked her in jail. I can’t really see why Trump should be involved but I do think that free speech is compromised in the UK and has been for some time.
It is not what it once was. No doubt the GN lefty mob will condemn me for saying so but I am convinced of this.

Galaxy

I have a lot of time for MN and it's approach to free speech, it has at times been light years ahead of twitter for example in letting people speak on difficult issues.

Yes I agree Galaxy.

The MN thread about the LC case is interesting. A bit of support for her, but a great many posters saying ‘she got what she deserved’, with some very astute explanations for their reasoning.

Yes, with Trumps' intervention it's clear it's becoming just a political football moving further away from the fact in the case and the very careful judgment. The usual suspects newspapers reported Trump intervention today and the Telegraph's headline was

"Lucy Connolly case raised with White House
Free speech martyr loses appeal to be freed from jail for ‘inciting racial hatred’.

Trump has a cheek considering he is trying to abolish Habeas corpus in the USA then wittering on about free speech.

And the lead newspapers reporting this, this morning, are all conveniently missing the point in their summary: it wasn't just an "incitement to racial hatred" it was incitement to racial actual violence

by continually featuring these "lies by omission" matters are being whipped up to the extent she is now a "martyr

Before wasting sympathy and money on Lucy Connolly spend a few minutes thinking about how terrified the people in that building must have been as an out of control mob tried to burn them alive, an action her tweet encouraged. Deleting her tweet hours later wouldn't have saved them, Connolly and people like her have so much hatred inside them they are happy to incite potentially fatal actions.

I have a lot of time for MN and it's approach to free speech, it has at times been light years ahead of twitter for example in letting people speak on difficult issues.

Anyhoo
I think Connolly will be out soon, August I believe.There’s no sympathy for her from some and sympathy for her case also from some.Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice as they say.

LOLOLOLOL!

I have the right to ignore nonsense.

Not that it will work.

You’re trying your level best to.

Oreo

You’re right there Galaxy my answer is NO.I shall ignore any poster telling me to go elsewhere.
Free speech anyone?

Who's denying your "free speech"?

GrannyGravy13

On the news this morning it had an item on The White House is monitoring the Lucy Connolly case amid concerns regarding free speech

Apparently there are items in several newspapers this morning.

Hasn’t he got enough troubles without interfering in U.K. affairs?

It just goes to show how politicised it's become. It has nothing to do with "free speech", but there are some influential people pushing the agenda.