It looks like Trump now has his Stormtroopers (Stoßtruppen)

Whiff

Just read the BBC news and watched a video of an Australian reporter got shot on the leg by a rubber bullet. What is going on . So glad I live here .

I would hold that thought. This uprising of the far-right is going on all round the world and the last time we saw something like this was in Europe not the USA.

Just thinking back to what so many people had to go through when the fight in the US was all about colour not "illegal immigration". Then my thoughts jump to Germany where, while scape goats where openly the Jews, communists, socialists anc trade unionists were disappeared and, more secretly, the disabled. This is following such a common route.

I'm not someone who regularly prays but my brain is currently putting a message out, just in case, hoping that someone in the US government takes hold of the situation. My worries are not helped by the fact that my American family are still only telling us about very mundane, everyday stuff. We are normally a family that talks politics whenever we can.

Given that Trump no longer wants America to be the protector of the western world, who is this birthday show of military strength aimed at? The American people perhaps??

MayBee70

Given that Trump no longer wants America to be the protector of the western world, who is this birthday show of military strength aimed at? The American people perhaps??

Just like Putin

PoliticsNerd

Whiff

Just read the BBC news and watched a video of an Australian reporter got shot on the leg by a rubber bullet. What is going on . So glad I live here .

I would hold that thought. This uprising of the far-right is going on all round the world and the last time we saw something like this was in Europe not the USA.

Just thinking back to what so many people had to go through when the fight in the US was all about colour not "illegal immigration". Then my thoughts jump to Germany where, while scape goats where openly the Jews, communists, socialists anc trade unionists were disappeared and, more secretly, the disabled. This is following such a common route.

I'm not someone who regularly prays but my brain is currently putting a message out, just in case, hoping that someone in the US government takes hold of the situation. My worries are not helped by the fact that my American family are still only telling us about very mundane, everyday stuff. We are normally a family that talks politics whenever we can.

Yes. The thing I keep getting back to is that there seems so much complacency and misunderstanding about a far right government is capable of, and will do.

Any extremists Whitewave, any extremists.

Yes of course.

But we are currently being faced with the far right.

Gavin Newsum was very impressive in a speech pushing back against Trump.

Sky.

MazieD, it just shows how inadequate words can be on this thread, without hearing the 'feeling' behind them. My concern is the exact opposite i.e. that Trump can indefinately and universaly maintain this disruption.

Whitewavemark2

Yes of course.

But we are currently being faced with the far right.

The UK rounds up illegal migrant's and deports them, are we a far right government or is California a far left government.?

Should a state follow a different migration policy the the national policy, these are not Assylum seekers they are economic migrants, would we allow Scotland to to have an open door policy.?

Maybe, when Trump comes here on his state visit instead of the coach ride down the Mall [which was never going to happen anyway for security reasons] we should give him a very long and boring military parade after which he has to inspect our troops; hundreds of them. Then again that isn't fair to our wonderful armed forces.

David49

Whitewavemark2

Yes of course.

But we are currently being faced with the far right.

The UK rounds up illegal migrant's and deports them, are we a far right government or is California a far left government.?

Should a state follow a different migration policy the the national policy, these are not Assylum seekers they are economic migrants, would we allow Scotland to to have an open door policy.?

You clearly don’t understand the implication of what is happening in the USA - although perhaps you do😮

Executive order No 196.

Wearing a mask in public is now a crime.

Interesting that the mask law comes at a time when facial recognition use has accelerated.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/06/los-angeles-ice-protests-helicopter/

Should Trump's visit to the UK be cancelled?

If it still goes ahead, would it be better that no-one lines the street as he passes or should there be a silent protest?

Ignore him. Thats what he'd hate most. Hope, if he does come, there is a campaign. Stay at home, stay at home!

flump, I'm hoping that events keep Mr Trump at home. Failing that, I'm up for a silent crowd turning their backs as he passes.

Absolutely! Hopefully there will be something that would keep him in the USA. Surely there must be some way the UK could "postpone" it indefinitely.

Whitewavemark2

David49

Whitewavemark2

Yes of course.

But we are currently being faced with the far right.

The UK rounds up illegal migrant's and deports them, are we a far right government or is California a far left government.?

Should a state follow a different migration policy the the national policy, these are not Assylum seekers they are economic migrants, would we allow Scotland to to have an open door policy.?

You clearly don’t understand the implication of what is happening in the USA - although perhaps you do😮

I understand that the US is trying to control the number of migrants entering the US.
For what it’s worth I think Trump is doing everything the wrong way, in Ukraine, Gaza and the US.
Controlling migration is probably the least worse thing he is doing, if California is not controlling immigrants, they need to fall in line.

Whitewavemark2

Executive order No 196.

Wearing a mask in public is now a crime.

I don’t see that as a bad thing tbh.

I can't even wrap my brain around this to even give a synopsis. Basically, he wants to be able to send migrants to countries they may be tortured in, as long as the government says they won't torture the people he is sending.

www.vox.com/scotus/416163/trump-supreme-court-deport-immigration-convention-torture

So I think this is one of the reasons the Democrats may not win again, they are out of touch with what people want, people are on the whole frightened of those in masks, I can certainly think of some very threatening abusive men on protests who have worn them. Now personally I have concerns in terms of civil liberties ( similar to my concerns about the burqa issue, i.e that the state mandating what to wear is often a dangerous thing) but my guess is that very many people would be very pleased about a mask ban.

It is hypocritical that Republicans are OK with Federal agents masked and not providing ID when working, but then be scared when protestors are masked.

Republicans aren't afraid of people in masks. They are afraid of who they perceive as liberal in masks.

It is also very hypocritical that they claim mask mandates in 2020 were unconstitutional and are now mandating that masks can't be worn. Either we get to decide on wearing masks or not, not when it suits them.

Their mantra seems to be "rights for me but not for thee".

When I see someone in a mask ( not a covid one obviously) I am uneasy, what their politics are is of little importance to me. Many many people particularly women feel the same. As I said my concern is also of the state mandating what to wear but I suspect many people won't worry about that.

I’m perhaps the USA is playing catch up with the UK?

Forget the I’m sun is in my eyes and on my screen