Terrible air crash in India/UK

From an accident cause point-of-view, the accumulation of/ and release of evidence regarding the cause of the Air India 787 crash is pointing in one direction. This article sums up the current state-of-play:

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Sarnia

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RosieandherMaw

Is it something with Boeings?
A Boeing bound for Toronto from Paris CDG declared an emergency just 2days ago, and was forced to circle over Normandy to burn off fuel before returning (safely) to CDG

I have no idea, but Air France had another Boeing which had to do exactly the same and return. It was on Sunday, CDG to Shanghai I believe.

There have been software issues with the incidents mentioned.

The 787 is a “fly by wire” aircraft as are most others including Airbus, they all us use software.

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RosieandherMaw

Is it something with Boeings?
A Boeing bound for Toronto from Paris CDG declared an emergency just 2days ago, and was forced to circle over Normandy to burn off fuel before returning (safely) to CDG

I have no idea, but Air France had another Boeing which had to do exactly the same and return. It was on Sunday, CDG to Shanghai I believe.

There have been software issues with the incidents mentioned.

Dickens

IamMaz

I’ve seen footage of all the charred bodies in grotesque positions. One burned onto his seat.
Makes it even more incredulous that someone survived - when it burst into flames on impact.
All will be revealed in due course I expect.

I've no idea what footage you've seen, the mainstream media is usually more sensitive about the photo's or videos it releases.

Was it necessary to be so graphic?

And insensitive, IamMaz. You’ve no idea if experiences people here have had. I’m in Manchester where the airport disaster affected so many people. (Fortunately not me but learnings from that fire weee used in our disaster and therapy training)

RosieandherMaw

Is it something with Boeings?
A Boeing bound for Toronto from Paris CDG declared an emergency just 2days ago, and was forced to circle over Normandy to burn off fuel before returning (safely) to CDG

I have no idea, but Air France had another Boeing which had to do exactly the same and return. It was on Sunday, CDG to Shanghai I believe.

IamMaz

I’ve seen footage of all the charred bodies in grotesque positions. One burned onto his seat.
Makes it even more incredulous that someone survived - when it burst into flames on impact.
All will be revealed in due course I expect.

I've no idea what footage you've seen, the mainstream media is usually more sensitive about the photo's or videos it releases.

Was it necessary to be so graphic?

Thankyou RinseandRepeat

That poor man who survived, when fully recovered he will need to get back home to England, I can't imagine he'll want to fly ever again, post traumatic stress would be too much.

Thank you RinseandRepeat some sense.

The man who survived the crash (seated in 11A) was flying with his brother who was seated in another row. So sad.

Is it something with Boeings?
A Boeing bound for Toronto from Paris CDG declared an emergency just 2days ago, and was forced to circle over Normandy to burn off fuel before returning (safely) to CDG

Air travel is of course statistically a safe way to travel. What makes it scary of course is that if there IS an accident you are not likely to survive it

I personally would not travel by air anywhere now until this is figured out . Do the security people a favor and think 2x before you do go anywhere . The less people travelling the easier for security until they find out what’s going on rebook and enjoy the nice weather HERE !!

I flew Air India back in 1990. It was fine. Apart from the steward looking after our section obviously thought that women were lesser beings and it was only an adjacent Indian male passenger advocating for us that we were actually fed and watered.

Here is a screen shot of the Air India airliner wheels down flaps retracted.
It can’t fly like that and didn’t, how it got to that position remains to be proved

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IamMaz

I’ve seen footage of all the charred bodies in grotesque positions. One burned onto his seat.
Makes it even more incredulous that someone survived - when it burst into flames on impact.
All will be revealed in due course I expect.

So, who took this ‘footage’ of which you speak? ‘Charred bodies’ ‘One burned on to his seat’? To whom are these pictures credited?

How astonishing that anyone survived. That poor man is going to suffer from survivor's guilt forever. I just hope he is left alone to recover and not be hounded by annoying people wanting to interview him.
I know everyone says that statistically airtravel is very safe, but but when an aircrash happens its so dramatic with so many victims.

I’ve seen footage of all the charred bodies in grotesque positions. One burned onto his seat.
Makes it even more incredulous that someone survived - when it burst into flames on impact.
All will be revealed in due course I expect.

The only reliable information so far is what the man on board has relayed from his experience of the take off and crash I think.

Yes black box has been found.

Yes black box has been recovered

So much ill informed speculation.

Safety concerns have not been raised on the Dreamliner. There were some changes made regarding the batteries when the aircraft was introduced 14 years ago. There have been no fatal crashes.

If there were insufficient flaps set for take off, not only would that mean numerous checklists had not been completed correctly but also that the take off config warnings would have been ignored by the pilots. Plus there would likely have been a tailstrike on rotation.

The aircraft back tracked and used the full 11499 feet of runway. Intersection take offs are standard practice and incorporated in take off performance planning. Every day, multiple times, intersections are used. At any time a pilot can request full length, which is their prerogative but may involve a delay.

A low speed take off would have looked quite different. This aircraft initially climbed normally then lost power, which was also reported in the mayday call.

This is what I mean about uninformed comment and speculation.

Do pilots get complacent? Sometimes. It is human nature. Which is why procedures involve both pilots, involving cross checking and confirming vital actions are completed.

Pilots regularly do simulator training; every year they must pass a rigorous licence skills test to continue their career.
This includes engine fires and failures and numerous other system failures.

We don’t yet know the cause but they sadly had little time to react or recover the situation

Absolutely a dreadful and disasterous tragedy.

Read about this early this morning at 8am on Facebook.

Could not control the flood of tears.

R.I.P. and all our deepest condolences to the families and dear ones ..

sandye

I read somewhere that this aircraft was in bad repair. None of the call bells worked that air-conditioning was broken and in-flight screens broken and multiple other faults. British aircraft are in a lot better condition and serviced regularly. Accidents happen but if this is the case Air India wants closing down.

That it is a very broad statement. All passenger-carrying aircraft are subject to maintenance procedures/checks laid down by the manufacturer for each aircraft type based on calendar times; flight hours; flight cycles etc. As an aircraft gets older, maintenance/servicing times get longer. At the 10/12 year point, the aircraft is taken apart so that engineers can carryout detailed checks for damage/corrosion; undercarriage assemblies are removed and sent back to the manufacturer for refurbishment etc.

Pilots are required to check the aircraft’s technical log against what is known as a Minimum Equipment List before every flight. Unserviceable In Flight Entertainment would not stop a flight departure whereas unserviceable emergency lights would. The UK CAA monitors compliance for all foreign aircraft landing at UK airports. They have the powers to ground foreign aircraft.

Many decades spent in the air have taught me not to speculate about the cause of any aircraft accident . Accident investigators will narrow down the cause of this accident very quickly from recorded data; cockpit voice and ATC conversations etc. FWiW, the Boeing 787 had up until yesterday a remarkable safety record with over 1100 aircraft in service that have flown 30M flight hours.

For those worried about flying, the total accident rate last year was 1 per 880,000 flights.

North Asia

With a single accident, the all-accident rate increased slightly from zero accidents per million sectors in 2023 to 0.13 in 2024.

Europe

With nine accidents in 2024, the all-accident rate increased slightly from 0.95 per million sectors in 2023 to 1.02 accidents in 2024.

Source IATA Annual Safety Report 2024

My thoughts are with families who have lost loved ones in this tragic accident.

I don't watch or listen to the news anymore , it's always bad news.