Israel attack on Iran

Pakistan seems to be saying that if Israel nukes Iran, Pakistan will step in and nuke Israel. Pakistan clearly in full support of Iran.

There is a danger of other neighbouring countries getting involved in this conflict.

ronib

Pakistan seems to be saying that if Israel nukes Iran, Pakistan will step in and nuke Israel. Pakistan clearly in full support of Iran.

Pakistan has enough problems with India and wouldn’t risk Israeli retaliation that’s just talk

I’m all for reasonable countries having nuclear weapons and becoming a nuclear State but those reasonable countries have to make damn sure that unreasonable countries don’t have them.

Oh dear. 'Reasonable countries'? How very paternalistic...

I'm finding it quite hard to name any nuclear capable 'reasonable countries' at the moment.

And, of course, 'reasonable' is a very subjective term...

Claremont

Allira

Claremont

He has been planning massive attacks on Gaza for even longer, 1987.

How do you know this?

He was Israeli Ambassador to the UN at that time.

I posted a video some time ago, of him saying exactly that at the time. Clear as a bell (hell).

Good grief!!

I missed that.

If true Israelis would know this and voted for Netanyahu for
a total of 17 years

Is Israel a reasonable country ? Given its enthusiasm in attacking its neighbours, Gaza, Lebanon , Yemen, now Iran some might question that statement.

The news media is now focused on Iran, which takes the attention from Gaza where the people still suffer and die.

I wonder if some in Iran might be hoping it could be the end of the regime there?

MaizieD

^I’m all for reasonable countries having nuclear weapons and becoming a nuclear State but those reasonable countries have to make damn sure that unreasonable countries don’t have them.^

Oh dear. 'Reasonable countries'? How very paternalistic...

I'm finding it quite hard to name any nuclear capable 'reasonable countries' at the moment.

And, of course, 'reasonable' is a very subjective term...

The UK? France? The US ? India? Just for starters.
Do you consider Iran a reasonable country? As for ‘paternalistic’ what nonsense.Just a worry that countries such as Iran with religious fanatics and extremists at the helm could one day soon acquire them.

silverlining48

Is Israel a reasonable country ? Given its enthusiasm in attacking its neighbours, Gaza, Lebanon , Yemen, now Iran some might question that statement.

The news media is now focused on Iran, which takes the attention from Gaza where the people still suffer and die.

Enthusiasm.Good grief! Israel would like nothing better than for the extremists in surrounding countries to cease their constant attacks on them which has been happening for years.
Even in the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority would also love that extreme terror groups would stop operating there, it does nothing but cause trouble.
Muslim extremists backed by Iran are the bane of the entire Middle East.

Oreo

MaizieD

I’m all for reasonable countries having nuclear weapons and becoming a nuclear State but those reasonable countries have to make damn sure that unreasonable countries don’t have them.

Oh dear. 'Reasonable countries'? How very paternalistic...

I'm finding it quite hard to name any nuclear capable 'reasonable countries' at the moment.

And, of course, 'reasonable' is a very subjective term...

The UK? France? The US ? India? Just for starters.
Do you consider Iran a reasonable country? As for ‘paternalistic’ what nonsense.Just a worry that countries such as Iran with religious fanatics and extremists at the helm could one day soon acquire them.

If you were from one of the countries, such as Iran, that you consider to be unreasonable, you might find you have a completely different view of what is or isn't 'reasonable'.

P.S At the moment I'd class the US as 'unreasonable'. Not too sure about India, either...

Allira

I wonder if some in Iran might be hoping it could be the end of the regime there?

More than just some I bet, but until the IRG can be more or less dismantled by attacks then they won’t dare rise up.
Iranian dissidents have been helping Israeli intelligence for years.

MaizieD

^I’m all for reasonable countries having nuclear weapons and becoming a nuclear State but those reasonable countries have to make damn sure that unreasonable countries don’t have them.^

Oh dear. 'Reasonable countries'? How very paternalistic...

I'm finding it quite hard to name any nuclear capable 'reasonable countries' at the moment.

And, of course, 'reasonable' is a very subjective term...

Indeed - which is why any of us tried so hard to make people understand the massive danger of proliferation in the 60s, 70s and 80s- and tried very hard to stop the siting of US nuclear weapons on UK soil. I was a Member of East of England CND for all those years, marched, cycled to Molesworth and visite Greenham several times. And this is one time when I truly do not want to say 'told you so- proliferation was and is the most dangerous issue of our times'.

And yes, 'reasonable' is a very subjective term. Those we thought were stable countries with stable people at the helm, are now no longer. USA first and foremost has become a VERY unstable and dangerous place.

I’m not a religious fanatic MaizieD so can’t get into their mindset but the Iranians who hate the regime, with good cause I may add would undoubtedly not want those leaders to have full nuclear arsenal at their disposal.
Nuclear weapons are here to stay and the most we can hope is that the deterrent factor proves strong enough and countries with crazy regimes don’t get them.That isn’t always possible but it’s desirable.

Citing CND demos and taking a trip down memory lane as regards Greenham Common doesn’t help with making the world nuclear free nor would it ever have done.People did realise the horrors of nuclear proliferation but then as now, all countries wanted it because it was there.
Just as the gun revolutionised weapons, and the tank and air warfare, now incredibly powerful missiles and drones, time doesn’t stand still and the genie won’t be put back in the bottle.

Re reasonable

Or you could say that those who have not joined full disclosure in the non-proliferation agreement are unreasonable.

Or you could say that anyone disagreeing with liberal democracy unreasonable.

Or you could say it is much better to base our decisions on objective risk rather than subjective opinion.

If you use objectivity, you would be aware that Iran (whatever your opinion of the regime ) has been objectively very little risk as far as nuclear weapons are concerned, and only recently has the DNSR indicated concern, but we don’t know why.

You could say anything about anything.
Iran has been quietly going about the business of becoming a nuclear State for a while which is why the top scientists have just been eliminated.

Oreo

You could say anything about anything.
Iran has been quietly going about the business of becoming a nuclear State for a while which is why the top scientists have just been eliminated.

Your last sentence was based on what objective evidence?

And Israel - what is your subjective opinion about their nuclear capability?

Mossad and Iranian dissidents have been working together for a long time.Intelligence is gathered about many subjects including Iran’s scientists working on nuclear programs.Read up on this issue and don’t go down the rabbit hole of thinking that Iran is some harmless stable country.

Oreo

Citing CND demos and taking a trip down memory lane as regards Greenham Common doesn’t help with making the world nuclear free nor would it ever have done.People did realise the horrors of nuclear proliferation but then as now, all countries wanted it because it was there.
Just as the gun revolutionised weapons, and the tank and air warfare, now incredibly powerful missiles and drones, time doesn’t stand still and the genie won’t be put back in the bottle.

Aw, don't deprive us of our trips down memory lane, its a nice enjoyable kind of sharing )

Oreo

Mossad and Iranian dissidents have been working together for a long time.Intelligence is gathered about many subjects including Iran’s scientists working on nuclear programs.Read up on this issue and don’t go down the rabbit hole of thinking that Iran is some harmless stable country.

That is both opinion and guesswork.

You haven’t answered either question.

The big worry for most reasonable countries is that Iran sponsors terrorism and religious fundamentalism across the world and it’s highly undesirable for them to give nuclear bombs to terrorists.

The nations that do have nuclear weapons have been responsible - so, notwhistanding Russias threats.

so - far

Honestly Whitewavemark2 I don’t consider your naive views on Iran worth my time commenting on.If you really want to find knowledge of the subject then find it, it isn’t beyond you.
If it’s one upmanship or trying to score points then I don’t go in for that.
Israel will now feel safer for setting back any nuclear progress in Iran and actually so should many other countries too, they will be secretly celebrating.

Oreo

Honestly Whitewavemark2 I don’t consider your naive views on Iran worth my time commenting on.If you really want to find knowledge of the subject then find it, it isn’t beyond you.
If it’s one upmanship or trying to score points then I don’t go in for that.
Israel will now feel safer for setting back any nuclear progress in Iran and actually so should many other countries too, they will be secretly celebrating.

How rude and condescending in the extreme.

Just as this comment is cynical and scary in the extreme

'People did realise the horrors of nuclear proliferation but then as now, all countries wanted it because it was there.
Just as the gun revolutionised weapons, and the tank and air warfare, now incredibly powerful missiles and drones, time doesn’t stand still and the genie won’t be put back in the bottle.'

Of course it can't be put back in the bottle- that is my whole point! The whole point about proliferation. And the whole point that some countries are deemed by the 'West' that they are worthy and trusted, and others not. And that time passes, and things change, and those deemed worthy and safe, suddenly no longer are. The whole point indeed.