Israel attack on Iran

So why now is Russia, Iran and China stacking up to attack Israel?

Maremia

Interesting point Oreo. I don't know the actual history behind the decision of where to place the 'homeland', and it may not be of relevance on this serious thread, but who made the decision and why chose a location surrounded at that time by enemies? Or did the animosity evolve later?
To save derailment of this thread, some kind GN offer me some sources to research.

It dates back to Balfour.

As a result of pogroms in Russia, the Russian zionist movement in Russia in the late 19th century/ early 20th approached people in Europe and in particular powerful Jews to persuade them to support their cause for an Israeli state in what was at the time the Ottoman Empire in an area known as Palestine and populated by predominately Arabs, a minority of Jews, a smaller minority of Christian’s and others.

So Rothschild persuaded Balfour of the Zionist cause and the Balfour Declaration was issued, which it agreed in principle to a Jewish Nation.

Hope that helps a bit😊

How did they manage to hide so many?

Parsley3

Should Israel be allowed nuclear weapons?

They do not admit or deny nuclear capability, nevertheless it is estimated Israel has 400 nuclear weapons, including submarine launched, ballistic missile and aircraft dropped devices.

Very few doubt that they would use them if pushed hard enough

Should Israel be allowed nuclear weapons?

From the House of Commons Library

Israeli nuclear policy
Israel has an official policy of ambiguity with respect to nuclear weapons. It has never confirmed or denied possessing nuclear weapons and has never conducted a nuclear test.

However, it is universally acknowledged that Israel has a nuclear weapons capability which it developed outside the framework of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

I meant your previous one about the 'surrounded by enemies'. Takes me so long to that I miss subsequent posts.

ronib

If Israel is in the direct firing line for an Iranian nuclear attack, why on earth would Israel hand over responsibility for its own safety to international discussion and action/inaction? Would you?

Exactly.

Interesting point Oreo. I don't know the actual history behind the decision of where to place the 'homeland', and it may not be of relevance on this serious thread, but who made the decision and why chose a location surrounded at that time by enemies? Or did the animosity evolve later?
To save derailment of this thread, some kind GN offer me some sources to research.

Maremia

Don't be ridiculous ronib, don't think anyone on here just now wants a nuclear war.

Well we’ll get one if Iran isn’t stopped right now.

Claremont

I disagree with all nuclear weapons. In the 70s and 80s, I was very active in trying to explain that nuclear proliferation would be a disaster, and the MAD was just a short term fix that would break down when one or two (or more) power hungry mad men got involved. And until smaller so called 'tactical' nuclear weapons were created, as for now- which give the massively dangerous illusion that a limited, targetted, nuclear attack is survivable.

Attacking Iran is a diabolical act of aggression from Israel that puts the whole world at risk, and Israel and its inhabitants, as well as Palestine and the whole Middle-East, at massive risk. The whole world indeed. There is NO EXCUSE for this attack- the consequences of which could be diabolically dire.

Israel attacked first, with the first bombs. The rest ?????

There’s every excuse to stop Iran acquiring nuclear weapons.

The West needs to cut off the head of the snake that is Iran.
IMO, Israel doesn't make a move until it gets the nod from the USA.

If Israel wasn’t surrounded by enemies, terror groups in several countries all funded by Iran and all wanting to attack Jews, then there wouldn’t be any need for wars and all those countries including Israel could live in peace.

Skydancer

Whenever is somebody going to say STOP! What is happening to our beautiful world! It is full of hatred and mad men.

It will be even fuller of hate and destruction if Iran were to go on unchecked where nuclear capabilities are concerned.
The UN say Iran has ignored warnings for the first time in 20 years.
Iran simply cannot be allowed these weapons, simple as that.

It seems to me that lessons need to be seriously learned from history right up to today.

The Jews were “gifted” Israel by the world during the early part of last century, and done so without the majority of the population’s consent.

The Second World War and it’s horrors brought fresh impetus to the idea of an Israeli state.

Israel declared itself a state in 1948. And has been to a large extent at war ever since.

The lesson has to be that nothing good can ever come from forcibly taking land from people who lived on it for centuries and in the normal way would be seen to be the rightful owners.

I am afraid that Israel will never be at peace. It has disastrously become a military state at war with its all neighbours to a greater or lesser extent. I am sure that the original Jewish settlers never, in their worst nightmares envisaged such a future for themselves.

I am also sure that if the world had been able to look into the future it would have hesitated over casting out people who lived in the area that is now Israel and given the whole thing much more thought.

This is a very simplistic overview, but I put it out there as an argument.

Well good if Israel has escalated the problem. It hasn’t been resolved or dealt with in any sensible way by either the Uk or USA so good on Israel. It can’t continue as it has done.

There are many countries with nuclear weapons. Israel may have just caused a much more dangerous situation.

Skipped over to CNN just now, 'Trump didn't want Israel to strike. They did it anyway.'

Whoops.
I will be grateful to Israel if they stop Iran in terms of production of nuclear weapons.

And the USA was on a political mission just now to deal with that.

ronib

I think this whole discussion is ridiculous.

I don't understand why you are still posting. Seems pointless if you don't like the discussion.

I will be etewr

It's not ridiculous to be concerned about a nuclear war.

To be clear Iran is building nuclear weapons.

I think this whole discussion is ridiculous.