Trump has attacked Iran

Trump will claim outstanding success even if it was a complete failure. I just can't put my trust in him. He has lied too often.
I hope there will be peace in the middle east for the sake of the ordinary people who live there.
Sadly I don't think it will last long.

Ordinary people going about their lives don't want war. It's only their leaders who create these hostile situations but they usually aren't the ones who get killed.

Maremia

Why is JD Vance now saying that the bombing was a 'success', but that the stockpile has been moved?
How can it be a success if the objective has not been achieved?

Because...lies. I think that's as honest as it can get. This what they do. I sincerely think we are setting ourselves up for disappointment when we hope to make sense of anything this administration says. Let's face it, they rarely stick to the same story, let alone having that story stem from some sort of reality.

I'm confused. I'm sure that gallows humour is rife in a number of professions, but this is a discussion board, not an officers' mess or an operating theatre.

Re the thread topic, I am getting more and more concerned as time goes by. Clearly, whatever happens is going to be influenced by Trump and co, which doesn't fill me with confidence at all. I'm trying not to think about it too much, but it's worrying.

I find the juxtapostion between terror and humour hard to comprehend.

It's so sad what is unfolding.

I am not medically trained nor part of the armed forces.

I was just puzzled at your comment about it sounding hideous.

People in stressful situations often do use black or 'gallows' humour to help see them through. It's a coping mechanism

Allira

lafergar

GrannyGravy13

Claremont best you do not go anywhere near a Mess Hall or even an Officers Mess, as the gallows/black humour you would encounter is positively offensive, hilarious and blood chilling.

It is one of the ways our brave armed forces get through difficult times.

Sounds hideous.

Have you ever assisted in an operating theatre?
Have you ever been in a combat or stressful situation in the Armed Services?

It is not for those of a delicate nature.

What an odd question. No

I am not medically trained nor part of the armed forces.

It is a job, a profession which carries responsibilites and provides an income?

Why is JD Vance now saying that the bombing was a 'success', but that the stockpile has been moved?
How can it be a success if the objective has not been achieved?

Yes Allira, I too was hoping that would be the case. Can't see any data about an increase in the deliveries, just that many, many more Palestinians have been shot down trying to access the aid.

RinseAndRepeat

@chameleon Here you go:

www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-25.pdf

www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf

An academic summary of the two reports is here:

isis-online.org/isis-reports/analysis-of-iaea-iran-verification-and-monitoring-report-may-2025

Apologies. My post above was a response to @Claremont.

Quote Allira Tue 24-Jun-25 17:37:49

^Quite similar to Junior Drs Mess- I was quite shocked at first.
And you are right, I would have been the worst Officer's wife,

As far as I am aware, wives do not normally go into the Mess unless invited for a special occasion, when I am sure (and know) that the men behave impeccably and with good

manners towards any ladies (or wives!) present.

Officers and their ladies, other ranks and their wives , I so remember this from the 60’s and 70’s

@chameleon Here you go:

www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-25.pdf

www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf

An academic summary of the two reports is here:

isis-online.org/isis-reports/analysis-of-iaea-iran-verification-and-monitoring-report-may-2025

Meanwhile … Palestinians in Gaza are still dying and being starved by Israel.
I did wonder if aid trucks would manage to get in while Netanyahu was distracted by Iran.

lafergar

GrannyGravy13

Claremont best you do not go anywhere near a Mess Hall or even an Officers Mess, as the gallows/black humour you would encounter is positively offensive, hilarious and blood chilling.

It is one of the ways our brave armed forces get through difficult times.

Sounds hideous.

Have you ever assisted in an operating theatre?
Have you ever been in a combat or stressful situation in the Armed Services?

It is not for those of a delicate nature.

This is not a Mess Hall, but a Forum with adult, mature women (and a few men).

^Quite similar to Junior Drs Mess- I was quite shocked at first.
And you are right, I would have been the worst Officer's wife, and am so grateful my DH, despite very difficult circumstances, did not accept funding by the Armed Forces and straight into Officer's rank when finishing studies.^

Claremont Are you saying that men in the Armed Services are not adult or mature? If so, I believe they might take issue with that rather strange comment.

As far as I am aware, wives do not normally go into the Mess unless invited for a special occasion, when I am sure (and know) that the men behave impeccably and with good manners towards any ladies (or wives!) present.

RinseAndRepeat

Claremont

Maremia

Yes Claremont, but Netanyahu said they were soooooo close to a nuclear bomb, even though Tulsi Gabard, who actually did the most recent inspections, said not. Just who should Trump have believed?
(sarcasm alert)

Yes, US spies said Iran was not ready at all- but Trump apparently replied that he had a 'feeling'!

We forget that it was Trump who decided to pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018. Obama and others explained at the time that it was massively dangerous and would lead to war.

The Deal is pulled out of would have meant:

Reducing Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium by 97 percent, and banning them from possessing any uranium potent enough that it could be used to fuel a bomb

Capping its number of nuclear centrifuges, devices used to enrich uranium, at roughly 5,000 — and only permitting it to use old, outdated, and slow centrifuges

Stopping Iran from operating its Arak facility used to make plutonium that could fuel a bomb

Permitting wide-ranging and intrusive IAEA inspections designed to verify that Iran isn’t cheating on any portion of the deal

These provisions, taken together, would have made it functionally impossible for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon so long as they are in place. And the IAEA has repeatedly confirmed that Iran is complying with all of its obligations under the deal.

I think that you must be reading a different IAEA Report to the one I am looking at. These are some of the Findings from the Report dated 31st May 2025:

‘Findings

Iran can convert its current stock of 60 percent enriched uranium into 233 kg of WGU in three weeks at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), enough for 9 nuclear weapons, taken as 25 kg of weapon-grade uranium (WGU) per weapon.

Iran could produce its first quantity of 25 kg of WGU in Fordow in as little as two to three days.

Breaking out in both Fordow and the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP), the two facilities together could produce enough WGU for 11 nuclear weapons in the first month, enough for 15 nuclear weapons by the end of the second month, 19 by the end of the third month, 21 by the end of the fourth month, and 22 by the end of the fifth month.

In front of the inspectors’ eyes, Iran is undertaking the near-final step of breaking out, now converting its 20 percent stock of enriched uranium into 60 percent enriched uranium at a greatly expanded rate, although this rate cannot be sustained much longer.

Iran has no civilian use or justification for its production of 60 percent enriched uranium, particularly at the level of hundreds of kilograms.’

Do I think that this conflict is over: sadly, not. I doubt that the US will be pulling its two carrier groups; aircraft and submarines out of the area anytime soon despite the US President’s extraordinary posts on social media over the past 24 hours.

Thank you for this. I would be very grateful for an official link to check this out before further commenting. Please.

GrannyGravy13

I am with Oreo on this, if/when Iran produces a nuclear weapon or even a dirty bomb I have an absolute dread of the inevitability of it landing up in the hands of Hezbollah or any of Iran’s ^puppet terrorists^

That’s another plausible scenario and worry isn’t it?

Maremia

The potential threat from Iran has been removed. The children in Gaza are still suffering. Perhaps time to turn back to that?

This thread was started about Iran, there is still a thread about Gaza to comment on.

It looks as if things will settle down since the US intervened with a show of strength unless Iran sends more missiles into Israel.

Yes, thank you RinseandRepeat as there are some misleading comments on this thread about Iran, and I’m being kind with that word.Wilfully twisting facts to suit a narrative is more realistic at times.
Iran is a terrible country in oh so many ways and setting them back by years in regards to having nuclear capabilities is so worth a smile emoji, which I shall use whenever I like even if some people don’t care for it.And no btw, nobody has a comment deleted just for saying they don’t like the use of an emoji.

Rinseandrepeat 👍

Thank you RunseAndRepeat , thank you

Claremont

Maremia

Yes Claremont, but Netanyahu said they were soooooo close to a nuclear bomb, even though Tulsi Gabard, who actually did the most recent inspections, said not. Just who should Trump have believed?
(sarcasm alert)

Yes, US spies said Iran was not ready at all- but Trump apparently replied that he had a 'feeling'!

We forget that it was Trump who decided to pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018. Obama and others explained at the time that it was massively dangerous and would lead to war.

The Deal is pulled out of would have meant:

Reducing Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium by 97 percent, and banning them from possessing any uranium potent enough that it could be used to fuel a bomb

Capping its number of nuclear centrifuges, devices used to enrich uranium, at roughly 5,000 — and only permitting it to use old, outdated, and slow centrifuges

Stopping Iran from operating its Arak facility used to make plutonium that could fuel a bomb

Permitting wide-ranging and intrusive IAEA inspections designed to verify that Iran isn’t cheating on any portion of the deal

These provisions, taken together, would have made it functionally impossible for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon so long as they are in place. And the IAEA has repeatedly confirmed that Iran is complying with all of its obligations under the deal.

I think that you must be reading a different IAEA Report to the one I am looking at. These are some of the Findings from the Report dated 31st May 2025:

‘Findings

Iran can convert its current stock of 60 percent enriched uranium into 233 kg of WGU in three weeks at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), enough for 9 nuclear weapons, taken as 25 kg of weapon-grade uranium (WGU) per weapon.

Iran could produce its first quantity of 25 kg of WGU in Fordow in as little as two to three days.

Breaking out in both Fordow and the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP), the two facilities together could produce enough WGU for 11 nuclear weapons in the first month, enough for 15 nuclear weapons by the end of the second month, 19 by the end of the third month, 21 by the end of the fourth month, and 22 by the end of the fifth month.

In front of the inspectors’ eyes, Iran is undertaking the near-final step of breaking out, now converting its 20 percent stock of enriched uranium into 60 percent enriched uranium at a greatly expanded rate, although this rate cannot be sustained much longer.

Iran has no civilian use or justification for its production of 60 percent enriched uranium, particularly at the level of hundreds of kilograms.’

Do I think that this conflict is over: sadly, not. I doubt that the US will be pulling its two carrier groups; aircraft and submarines out of the area anytime soon despite the US President’s extraordinary posts on social media over the past 24 hours.

Claremont, I watched the video. So 'yes'.

LizzieDrip.... you could be on to something there. Gaza has just about vanished from the news.

Maremia

Yes Claremont, but Netanyahu said they were soooooo close to a nuclear bomb, even though Tulsi Gabard, who actually did the most recent inspections, said not. Just who should Trump have believed?
(sarcasm alert)

Yes, US spies said Iran was not ready at all- but Trump apparently replied that he had a 'feeling'!

We forget that it was Trump who decided to pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018. Obama and others explained at the time that it was massively dangerous and would lead to war.

The Deal is pulled out of would have meant:

Reducing Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium by 97 percent, and banning them from possessing any uranium potent enough that it could be used to fuel a bomb

Capping its number of nuclear centrifuges, devices used to enrich uranium, at roughly 5,000 — and only permitting it to use old, outdated, and slow centrifuges

Stopping Iran from operating its Arak facility used to make plutonium that could fuel a bomb

Permitting wide-ranging and intrusive IAEA inspections designed to verify that Iran isn’t cheating on any portion of the deal

These provisions, taken together, would have made it functionally impossible for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon so long as they are in place. And the IAEA has repeatedly confirmed that Iran is complying with all of its obligations under the deal.