Trump has attacked Iran

If that is true nansnanny, then they are totally complicit. What did they expect would happen.
I don’t think the president, thought lightly about dropping these bombs, after all he will have a war cabinet guiding him- I know it comes down to his decision in the end. I wish something could have been worked out before dropping the dam things.
I hope we as Britain don’t get dragged into it, after all we can’t even keep the airbases safe here. Incidentally, these people should be tried for terrorism, for causing millions of pounds of damage. That’s if they can catch them.

Oh, I do hope not, while the world is distracted. A friend is from there, all her family is there still.

Has this given a "Green Light" to China to invade Taiwan?

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

MayBee70

It seems to me that what has happened over the past couple of days is stage managed warfare. Done in such a way that no civilians or military personnel are killed. So that both parties can appear strong and not lose face. At the same time using warfare that has cost millions of pounds at a time when people are starving. Wouldn’t surprise me if both sides were warned in advance of what was going to happen.

I think that you absolutely right.

They just said that Qatar had been given prior warning so my gut feeling was right....

The Irish used to give warnings too back in the day. It didn't stop people being killed and certainly wasn't stage managed. Whilst Iran's attacks against the USA's assets may be trying to save face by retaliation without triggering further attacks by the USA, they'll be the only ones stage managing. I don't think Trump will sit quietly by whilst they do this and even if he doesn't go back at Iran now, it won't take much to trigger more warfare.

Whitewavemark2

MayBee70

It seems to me that what has happened over the past couple of days is stage managed warfare. Done in such a way that no civilians or military personnel are killed. So that both parties can appear strong and not lose face. At the same time using warfare that has cost millions of pounds at a time when people are starving. Wouldn’t surprise me if both sides were warned in advance of what was going to happen.

I think that you absolutely right.

They just said that Qatar had been given prior warning so my gut feeling was right....

I don't know how possible it is to not harm anybody?

Sorry, I just feel utter despair. Think I'll try to take a day or two away from the internet.

MayBee70

It seems to me that what has happened over the past couple of days is stage managed warfare. Done in such a way that no civilians or military personnel are killed. So that both parties can appear strong and not lose face. At the same time using warfare that has cost millions of pounds at a time when people are starving. Wouldn’t surprise me if both sides were warned in advance of what was going to happen.

I think that you absolutely right.

It seems to me that what has happened over the past couple of days is stage managed warfare. Done in such a way that no civilians or military personnel are killed. So that both parties can appear strong and not lose face. At the same time using warfare that has cost millions of pounds at a time when people are starving. Wouldn’t surprise me if both sides were warned in advance of what was going to happen.

which makes the idea of proliferation and those who 'deserve the nuclear bomb as goodies, and 'those who do not because they are baddies' - just scrarily nonsensical.

Why should Israel have the bomb, which they have produced totally illegally ad no threaten most of the middle east with. Or China, or Russia.

And if countries can be bombed without Government consultation or Nato consultation, in a totally illegal preemptive strike - which could lead to the use of such mass destruction weapons on civilian populations, then what next.

China could say, we can bomb Taiwan or Hong Kong. Same for many other conflicts.

The development of smaller tactical and targetted weapons makes this even more likely- with some getting the crazy and dangerous idea that we could have just a small limited nuclear attack and not necessarily MAD.

Proliferation and smaller tactical weapons make this so much more likely.

A complete madman in charge, Trump.

It's terrifying.

Thinking of you Mt61, this is so hard for those who have family in the region, or indeed far away.

I think they were evacuated before the attack so no casualties. What will Trump do now? Who knows.

Oh god doesn’t bare thinking about. I feel sorry for all the innocent people of those countries who just want peace.

What happens next will depend on whether or not there are any American fatalities.

I think Trump made a huge mistake bombing Iran. Iran has now bombed Qatar and Iraq American and British military bases. TV news said exact same number of bombs as America sent to Iran. Hope that's the end of it but knowing Trump..........

gg13 yes NK is in the back of my mind. I’m not sure how serious a risk they pose.

GrannyGravy13

Iran has launched missiles to attack US bases in both Qatar and Iraq

I have just had to pull my car up to the curb, I have family living there, I feel sick.

Whitewavemark2

I am actually talking myself into thinking that Iran is neither strong enough nor has enough allies to be a serious threat, so I am hoping that this May fizzle out and diplomacy will win.

Yes, unless China or Russia step in.

Russia is pretty much tied up in Ukraine and I do not think China has any appetite for war with USA.

North Korea is of course the joker in the pack.

I am actually talking myself into thinking that Iran is neither strong enough nor has enough allies to be a serious threat, so I am hoping that this May fizzle out and diplomacy will win.

Iran has launched missiles to attack US bases in both Qatar and Iraq

GN been off line and now we are watching Qatar being attacked.

I am on holiday from tomorrow and one country I am visiting is Switzerland.

I might stay there!

Grandmac. Well said

Colls

MissRedd

AGAA4

The irony is that Trump's attack on Iran now means that Iran will definitely build a nuclear weapon.
There is still doubt from experts in the US that there was imminent danger from Iran.
Also Trump acted illegally by not seeking approval from Congress.
By dancing to Netanyahu's tune he has put the whole world in danger and Iran will make sure now that they have a nuclear weapon.

Absolute applause for your take, AGAA4! This is exactly what I was trying to say in a post on this thread.

I could not have put it any clearer. All f-a-c-t-s point to this. Not opinions, thoughts or hopes, just facts. trump completely avoided Congress' approval.

And you better believe Iran will be madly working away to build a bigger and better machine. The attacks have already begun. Next to be struck, the Gulf of Hormuz. Oil folks.

Yes!

They better hurry up with their new nuclear program.
This one that has been destroyed was started in 2006.
Plus they haven’t got to piss in.
Comments from Russia and China are noticeably in their absence.
As for the Gulf of Hormuz, the navel military might that is in that area is awesome.

I think one of the factors here is that the horrors of World War have, broadly speaking, passed from living memory. It is for the same reason that the rise of Fascism is returning.

How many people in here have been to iran and fully engaged with the people. I was there during the revolution getting married to my Iranian fiance 1979. We went every year until 1995. The people are the most hospitable I've ever met. Its a beautiful country despite its restrictions. I speak the language fluently. I haven't seen my inlaws for almost 20 years. My mother in law died broken hearted by because she couldn't see my daughters. It wasn't safe for us to go. Imagine that pain.