Trump has attacked Iran

There has to be some financial gain for Trump out of this attack. He only acts to benefit himself.
It's naive to think he has done this for Israel.

Trump Towers in Tehran with sister hotel in Gaza

It doesn't help that Trumps eldest daughter married into a Jewish family. No doubt having his ear bent by Jewish Son-in-law and family.

That doesn’t mean we should never help the US ever again.

If we haven't learned from Iraq then God help us. No we shouldn't help the US ever again. Its a big boy now with a president who has dropped his allegiance to Europe. Let America get on with it. It has the military power to do what it likes in Iran. The UK needs to look to its own security now and there is no guarantee that America would play any part in helping us to do that.

How lovely you are kissngate.

MayBee70

Oreo

Yes. Blair had to take a decision based on information at the time.Nobody can act in ‘retrospect’.

I, personally don’t blame Blair for Iraq because I believe he acted in good faith. I also think that he now bitterly regrets it and that we should have learned a lesson about following America. If only we were still part of a larger organisation and didn’t have to offer up our opinions on such things unilaterally.

Of course he knew it was an exaggeration, if not downright lies. .

I heard an interesting phone in from an Iranian man today. He doesn't support his current government but said that every time there was a change of regime in Iran, someone gained financially. Trump is very busy sending his family to various countries where he does the tariff deal and they do the real estate one, so you could well be correct AGAA4.

AGAA4

There has to be some financial gain for Trump out of this attack. He only acts to benefit himself.
It's naive to think he has done this for Israel.

So it would seem.

Can you imagine a Middle Eastern country bombing the USA because they see Trump as a threat to their regime, ad because they want a change in Leadership?

Goodness knows where this is leading. Iran has very few options. It has few official powerful allies, doesn't have the military power of Israel/US combined and is in many ways a pariah state, so there won't be a rush to sympathise. Ironically, the country has been in the process of slow progress towards less authoritarianism, but this attack will probably halt that. The current President of Iran, Masoud Pezeshkian, is actually relatively reformist. Iran has every reason to hate the US, so it might very well turn towards Russia or China. If those two countries get involved, we really should be afraid.

Iranians are proud. They're not going to roll over and give in without a whimper. It doesn't take much to Google the history of Persia and to understand that it once had an empire and its culture goes back thousands of years. This could end up in a war of attrition, which will result in many lost lives and no clear winner. It could also involve more countries.

Claremont

Can you imagine a Middle Eastern country bombing the USA because they see Trump as a threat to their regime, ad because they want a change in Leadership?

Only if they thought they could win and would gain financially from it.

Claremont

Can you imagine a Middle Eastern country bombing the USA because they see Trump as a threat to their regime, ad because they want a change in Leadership?

Err ... no, I can't imagine it. In any case, the regime has been gradually changing in Iran. Iran has elections; even women have the right to vote. Iran is not Afghanistan. Admittedly, it's officially an Islamic Republic, but there are minorities in Iran and the power of the supreme leader has been gradually undermined. Even the requirement for women's dress has been relaxed.

'Nobody can react in retrospect', so true Oreo, but you can learn from the past, and not make that mistake again.

AGAA4

Claremont

Can you imagine a Middle Eastern country bombing the USA because they see Trump as a threat to their regime, ad because they want a change in Leadership?

Only if they thought they could win and would gain financially from it.

Which is what the US is doing - nothing to do with ideological differences.

Oh growstuff, I wish that was true. Have they gotten rid of those vile hags, who went round battering girls and women who uncovered their hair?
Not trying to deflect the thread. Really want to know.

America walked away from Afghanistan and left all the liberated women to the hands of the Taliban….

growstuff

Claremont

Can you imagine a Middle Eastern country bombing the USA because they see Trump as a threat to their regime, ad because they want a change in Leadership?

Err ... no, I can't imagine it. In any case, the regime has been gradually changing in Iran. Iran has elections; even women have the right to vote. Iran is not Afghanistan. Admittedly, it's officially an Islamic Republic, but there are minorities in Iran and the power of the supreme leader has been gradually undermined. Even the requirement for women's dress has been relaxed.

Your last sentence had me reaching for the smelling salts!
Are you aware of beatings sometimes to the death of young women who are deemed to be dressed modestly? Not away in the distant past but recently.
It’s a horrible regime there especially for women.

Maremia

Oh growstuff, I wish that was true. Have they gotten rid of those vile hags, who went round battering girls and women who uncovered their hair?
Not trying to deflect the thread. Really want to know.

No they bloody well haven’t!

Maremia

'Nobody can react in retrospect', so true Oreo, but you can learn from the past, and not make that mistake again.

I get what you’re saying but different countries and regimes.
Iran funds any terrorist group you can think of practically, Iraq executed any terrorists.
If the Iranian regime changed that could all stop, who knows?
It certainly couldn’t be worse than what we have now, Iran sits like a spider in a malign web.

Maremia

Oh growstuff, I wish that was true. Have they gotten rid of those vile hags, who went round battering girls and women who uncovered their hair?
Not trying to deflect the thread. Really want to know.

I believe they have - there was real backlash from the death of the girl who was arrested and from the demos in Iran itself. My daughter went to Iran on holiday last year. Most of the women had their heads covered, but with beautiful, coloured scarves tied in imaginative ways. Some of them were clothed head to toe in black, but many younger women wore high fashion from the neck downwards.

Oreo

Maremia

Oh growstuff, I wish that was true. Have they gotten rid of those vile hags, who went round battering girls and women who uncovered their hair?
Not trying to deflect the thread. Really want to know.

No they bloody well haven’t!

This is like a panto! Oh yes, they have!

Don't overdose on the smelling salts Oreo!

I just can’t believe some of the things you say growstuff that are totally ‘out there’ where facts are concerned.
Iran isn’t and hasn’t softened its attitude towards women and clothing, but do go on saying how Iran is ‘changing’ if only for amusement value.

There is a certain naivety in this thread. The UK is no longer a political or military superpower. We rely on the US for military support in NATO and they put great store on the fact that usually they have our political endorsement for non-NATO operations. If people think that we have the military capability to defend the UK from the land; sea; air or space then they are badly mistaken. As one Admiral said recently, our Iron Dome might at best comprise one Type 42 destroyer moored in The Thames.

To put this into context, I was involved in Gulf War 1 in 1991 which was won by Air Power. The US flew 97% of the missions: non US aircraft including the UK flew 3%.

Israel and the US have addressed a major threat to long-term Gulf instability. The Arab Nations know this which is why their responses have been very muted. Iran trying to use the UN and International Law in its defence sits in the same category as a convicted murderer trying to get the International Court of Human Rights to overturn his deportation from the UK because it will leave his cat homeless. Iran’s progress towards building a nuclear weapon was a boil that needed to be lanced.

I will get my coat.

Of course any changing that Iran wouldn’t be doing is now on the back burner.
They have more pressing worries.