Trump Asks Israel to Pardon Netsnyahu

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It’s complacency and incompetency rolled into one but that’s all it is , human error which will never be repeated .The evil that hamas wrought was all theirs, not the Israelis.
The Israeli people will hold their own government to account about security failures in due course.

The IDF, Mossad and the Israeli government has never been complacent about the dangers posed by Hamas, so I don't agree with that. Incompetent maybe, but the IDF and Mossad are usually very efficient.

You believe they chose to remain silent to allow Hamas to carry
out their crimes ?

I do think the Israelis should demand an enquiry into the October attack especially those who are waiting for family members who are still hostages.
Something very wrong went on there.

Quote AGAA4 Tue 01-Jul-25 10:04:05
I do think the Israelis should demand an enquiry into the October attack especially those who are waiting for family members who are still hostages.
Something very wrong went on there.

If the allegations spoken of here are true many Israelis were
involved in covering up the Hamas plans to attack Israel,

Or talking to a Jewish friend recently about the two state solution (never going to happen), he mentioned that there has been the most incredible loss of trust. So I guess that maybe even the IDF could not have imagined that anything so brutal as the Hamas attack was even remotely on the cards. A lack of imagination??

If allegations spoken of here are true many Israelis were involved in covering up the Hamas plans to attack Israel could well be Annie but unless at some point there's an in depth enquiry we'll never know, and more importantly nor will the Israelis who weren't involved.

I do not believe the allegations, how many Israelis would have been involved ?

They couldn’t imagine Hamas being brutal ? Rubbish , they know terrorists are invading their country , their home for Jews
but didn’t think it would be a brutal attack

Yes Anniebach Israel wasn’t able to envisage a brutal attack…. It was giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt? It will never ever trust Hamas again.

Is ignoring intelligence about increased activity on the boarder giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt?

Well if your mindset couldn’t cope with the worst case scenario, maybe yes. Smileless2012

Quote ronib Tue 01-Jul-25 13:19:11
Yes Anniebach Israel wasn’t able to envisage a brutal attack…. It was giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt? It will never ever trust Hamas again.

Jews couldn’t envisage a brutal attack given their history of the
program, the Holocaust , the attack in the Munich Olympics
1972

Maybe they had been lulled into a false security? Yes given such a truly horrendous history - who else lost 6 million people - perhaps they had mistakenly thought the world had come to atone for past atrocities….*Anniebach *

Quote ronib Tue 01-Jul-25 13:42:09
Maybe they had been lulled into a false security? Yes given such a truly horrendous history - who else lost 6 million people - perhaps they had mistakenly thought the world had come to atone for past atrocities….*Anniebach

Jews lulled into false security!

Hindsight and all that stuff Anniebach.
However there’s no excuse now for ever underestimating their enemies if that is any kind of comfort. Iran must never be allowed to develop a nuclear arsenal.

All that stuff !

At last. The 'hostage' families are going above Netanyahu's head and asking for the ceasefire to happen. BBC News just now.

It wont make any difference Maremia . He doesn't care about the hostages, he only cares about annihilating Gaza.

BBC News - a Gaza Aid Contractor has told them of shootings
he witnessed, allegedly because he / she was nameless

Hamas are speaking to other Palestinians groups before agreeing to a ceasefire. They will agree to returning the hostages but demand unrestricted aid into Gaza and phased withdrawal of IDF from Gaza.

Who are the other Palestinian groups ?

If everyone is talking, and not just Netanyahu, then there could be hope.

Everyone now !

Trump likes to think he rules the world. As he is a compulsive liar, who can tell if he wants peace, he just likes air time!

Yes Mini, but he so deperately wants that Nobel Peace Prize. He can't force Putin into peace in Ukraine, but if he manages to stop the genocide in Gaza?

Unfortunately, Israel broke the last ceasefire deal. Perhaps Netanyahu has promised the President that this won't happen again.