Glastonbury And The BBC Drowns The Welfare Bill

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Maremia

The Rapper was making a political protest, just as singers did in the 1960's, with those protest songs. Maybe that's where he chose his name.

He can’t hold a candle to Dylan. Masters of war is the protest song to end all protest songs.

The IDF aren't being housed in blighty travelodges though, are they?

I'll take your word for that Petra. I didn't hear that Rapper singing at Glastonbury.
Some fabulous anti-war protest songs from the 1960's include, of course 'Blowin' in the Wind' sung by Bob Dylan 1962
'Where have all the flowers gone?' sung by Joan Baez
'Universal Soldier' sung by Donovan 1965,

but a question upthread was did any of them say 'kill', as did the anti-war protest song at Glastonbury, and the answer is
yes, just put your question into your google search and see for yourself.
Won't put up a link as there is swearing in the lyrics,and the Admins would not approve.

I cannot recall protests songs from the 60’s saying “kill”

Hmm...
Not quite 'kill', Annieb but pretty close. Last verse of Masters of War

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

Definitely not “to kill “

MaizieD
Am sure you know the difference or I hope you do, between an anti war song by Bob Dylan aimed at fictional governments taking their country into a war, and a song at a music festival calling for the deaths of soldiers on active duty right now in a real country in a real situation.

How old are you!

Was the Vietnam war before you were born?

Considerably younger than yourself I think, but the song wasn’t just about Vietnam but for all wars….being an anti war song.Nor were there any references to killing soldiers on active duty.

What reason for trying to compare an anti war song by Dylan with a ditty saying “kill IDF” ?

I'll start off by saying again that I'm not condoning what was said at Glastonbury, but music and politics have been interlinked for years now. I could reel off a long list of artists known for their political views, some more extreme than others.
I could also reel off a whole list of songs about Margaret Thatcher, Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson and others, the lyrics of some of which would definitely have some posters on here clutching at their pearls. I don't remember any of those artists being prosecuted. Similarly, loads of rap and hip hop about beating and killing the police...
Like I say, I'm not condoning anything said at Glastonbury whatsoever, before anyone comes at me for that.

Not condoning but excusing?
Accusing posters of pearl clutching is trivialising this matter.
The fact that the government is taking it seriously and various countries cancelling these ‘artists’ performances says it all.

Oreo

Not condoning but excusing?
Accusing posters of pearl clutching is trivialising this matter.
The fact that the government is taking it seriously and various countries cancelling these ‘artists’ performances says it all.

No, I'm not excusing it at all or trying to trivialise anything - I'm not sure how you managed to twist my post into something like that. I've said repeatedly on this and the other Glastonbury thread that I don't condone or excuse it in the least. I just can't recall such an outcry about something like this before, that's all. It's an observation, nothing more, nothing less.

So no problem with someone singing “death to the British Army” whilst crowds cheered ?

Perhaps there has never been anything quite like this at Glasto before so no need for any ‘outcry’.

Anniebach

So no problem with someone singing “death to the British Army” whilst crowds cheered ?

When did that happen, Annebach?

It hasn’t.
But there’s every reason to be concerned that there easily could be if shouted chanting ‘death to’ another country’s soldiers didn’t go unchecked.

Going back to the original post, what has really drowned out the Welfare Bill, on the current threads, was Rachel Reaves apparent discomfort on the Front Bench, but at the live presentation on BBC News all seemed well.

“An overblown music festival” - couldn’t agree more.

Let’s not forget that it’s ‘an overblown music festival’ that gives over 5 million pounds to charitable causes each year.

Two music festivals -
One experienced terror, one incited terror

Well said Anniebach. What happened on Oct 7 is frequently completely forgotten.

Yes ferry23, if spoken of in posts there is the missing word “but” “Yes it was terrible but “,

October the 7th was an Atrocity and Gaza is a Genocide.

Anniebach

Yes ferry23, if spoken of in posts there is the missing word “but” “Yes it was terrible but “,

The 'but' does not necessarily imply that the poster is not as outraged about what happened on October 7 as anyone else.