New ^left^ political party?

He almost beat - he lost

MaizieD

If it happens I think it will go the way of all attempts to form new parties, it will have some enthusiastic and dedicated supporters but never garner enough of the vote share.

One could point to Reform as an exception to this, but Farage is a fully paid up member of the ‘establishment, has a genius for self promotion and is adored by the greater part of the mainstream media because he does and says nothing which radically challenges the established system of power or the position of the financial institutions and markets.

Corbyn is political marmite and is loathed by the ‘establishment’, he will never get enough media exposure and neither will Zarah Sultana. What exposure they might get will be mostly negative.

I note in the BBC news article on this story that it’s pointed out that Corbyn is in a parliamentary ‘group’ with other ‘independent MPs. This group are the pro Palestine MPs who beat Labour candidates lat July. Their names are all given, just to add emphasis to what is being implied. ‘Mainstream judged anti semite has close association with terrorist sympathisers…’ Just to add to the implications the Pro Palestine group which organised the painting of RAF planes has been voted by practically the whole of parliament to be designated a terrorist group.

Can anyone see a new party led by Corbyn really succeeding?

That’s a fair analysis of the situation.
I tend to think it’s good to get all the anti Semites, the extreme left wing and assorted zealots and nut cases out of the Labour Party and into a niche group that politically goes nowhere.

Tho Corbyn himself is keeping a bit quiet about the whole thing.🤔

'a sea- green incorrupible', as in Robespierre?

Corbyn was on Peston on Wednesday and this came up. He didn’t deny it. I can’t remember what he said, as it was towards the end of the show and I was getting ready for bed, but he didn’t seem annoyed at it being mentioned.

I think it’s a good idea. There will also be Majority at the next election- basically a group of Independent candidates under an umbrella that work together for a more progressive Labourish government. I think they will prove interesting too. Whether I would vote for them would depend on who stood in my constituency, but I wouldn’t rule it out.

There’s a long time before the next GE, so anything can happen. I’m pleased that voters who have washed their hands of both Labour and Tories have something other than Reform to vote for though.

Kandinsky

Isn’t Jeremy Corbyn what the Labour Party is all about - or should be?
Aren’t his principles core labour beliefs?

I’m amazed how many Labour’ supporters can’t stand him.
They seem to prefer watered down Labour, or some sort of Labour /Tory mix.

I like Corbyn and his ethos, sadly many of the voting public didn’t.

There’s a misguided view that true Labour, those Corbyn supporters, always bankrupt the country.

The only way we can have decent public services, from schools to the NHS, councils, social care, police and so on, is to raise taxes. This is a very unpopular viewpoint as many of our most comfortable citizens don’t wish to fund these things.

I like Sultana, but splitting the “lefties” isn’t any more helpful than splitting the “righties”

Btw, Starmer and his crew are Conservative politically, they are Centralist. I’d say Rayner is a true socialist and, imo, she’s proving to be a strong deputy.

are not Conservatives I so need an edit button!

"but you're ok with authoritarian governments of the centre?" In one word no! And I do regard this one as authoritarian.

April,2016 Corbyn announced an inquiry into antisemitism in the Labour Party , and Charkrabarti would chair the enquiry
May 2016 Chakrabarti joined Labour Party,

June 2026
The report rejected the idea of a lifetime ban for members using racist language and advised against retrospective action for comments made prior to the inquiry.[7] It concluded that the Labour Party "is not overrun by anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or other forms of racism" but acknowledged an "occasionally toxic atmosphere" and "too much clear evidence [of] ignorant attitudes."[2]

July 2016 Charkrabarti was awarded with a seat in the Lords,

She did apologise for the brutal treatment of Ruth Smeeth

Kandinsky

Isn’t Jeremy Corbyn what the Labour Party is all about - or should be?
Aren’t his principles core labour beliefs?

I’m amazed how many Labour’ supporters can’t stand him.
They seem to prefer watered down Labour, or some sort of Labour /Tory mix.

It isn’t that many people in the Labour Party don’t share Corbyns beliefs. It’s just that, when offered a more socialist government the electorate in their droves ( especially the very people that needed that kind of government) overwhelmingly voted for Boris Johnson. Bit like the poor in America voting for Trump.

MayBee70 You’re so right, imo, utterly bizarre!

You see the poor young voter as the American poor who voted for Trump,?

Does Mr Corbyn really want all the bother at his age?

Caleo is right: "We must have taxation sufficient to pay for decent social care, NHS, and education."

That is the problem with the country at the moment - public services are so starved of cash they can't operate and everyone's life is a misery.

luluaugust

Does Mr Corbyn really want all the bother at his age?

I cannot beleive anyone could write that. Lots of us still have our crusading spirit and get up and go well into our 80s, 90s and onward. Corbyn will be chasing chimeras until the day he dies. It is what keeps him alive.

ronib

Paradoxically didn’t Corbyn have one million more votes than Starmer? Anniebach

Numbers of votes don't count. It is how many turn out and whose supporters consider it not worth voting. Corbyn alienated the Labour vote big big time, that, and he drove it into the arms of Reform and Farage.

Labour did not win the last election, it was those who were so disgusted with the process that they did not vote and those, from Labour, and even more from the Conservatives, who voted for reform who won that resulted in a landslide for Labour by default who won.

Hi Monica yes you are right, having a rough morning, I do find the spirit is willing but…….. Most 76 year old gents I know are not as physically fit as he must be
He seems to be very cross with the younger MP involved, does that bode well?

Corbyn alienated the Labour vote big big time,

If he did that how do you account for the fact that in 2017 the Labour vote destroyed the tory majority and May only managed to remain in power with the support of the DUP?

It was only after that that the anti Corbyn witch hunt really began.

I liked the 2019 Labour manifesto, it was standard Labour , not particularly 'extreme left' and actually doable.

Which doesn't mean that I think Corbyn was a good leader. The 2019 GE should never have happened.

MaizieD

^Corbyn alienated the Labour vote big big time,^

If he did that how do you account for the fact that in 2017 the Labour vote destroyed the tory majority and May only managed to remain in power with the support of the DUP?

It was only after that that the anti Corbyn witch hunt really began.

I liked the 2019 Labour manifesto, it was standard Labour , not particularly 'extreme left' and actually doable.

Which doesn't mean that I think Corbyn was a good leader. The 2019 GE should never have happened.

I agree and the damage of having that election is still around us now.

BBC

Jeremy Corbyn has said "discussions are ongoing" after ex-Labour MP Zarah Sultana announced she was quitting the party to co-lead a new left-wing party with him.

I agree with MaizieD that the anti Corbyn witch hunt really began after the 2017 election.
The 2019 manifesto was, as MaisieD says, standard Labour, not particularly extreme and could be done.

It was the manifesto that terrified those who are the winners under the present system, because it talked about redistribution. Corbyn was the figurehead, and he was used to discredit the policies of redistribution. He as a person is not really important here.

I do think though, that Keir Starmer saying that Labour would have another referendum on Brexit helped to loose that election, compared to Johnson's Get Brexit Done.

So if Corbyn becomes the leader of the new left wing party, I expect we can all look forward to him being on QT week after week after week, just like Farage.

Personally, I think the good ship Corbyn has sailed.
As a LP activist in those Corbyn years I know how unpopular he was with the electorate and I can't see what the point is in bringing him back.
He was never really a party man anyway but an idealogue who promoted some pet issues from an impractical viewpoint.
I can't see even if he does go with Sultana who is also an idealogue but at least a much younger one, that it is even going to be more than a fringe party.
Nothing wrong with principles, but we also need practical governance too.

So if Reform is to the Right of the Tory party and Jeremy Corbyn’s new party is positioning itself to the Left of the Labour Party what happens to the Lib Dems?
Can you get any more “middle of the road “ without disappearing down a pot hole?

There was Liberal then Social,Democrat, then Liberal Democrat, and for a few years a coalition Liberal Democrat with Conservative