Israel to conquer Gaza. Part 3

Being terrorised because of your beliefs is wrong, and criminal, but it's almost as if only people of the Jewish faith were being persecuted just now.
This is not the case.
On the West Bank, in the state of Israel, three Parish Priests of the Latin, Greek Orthodox and Melcite churches, denounce repeated violence against Christain residents and their properties...by Jewish settlers. The Priests call on the international community to come and document the damage and the worsening situation.

"Where there is oppression there will be resistance". It's inevitable that Palestinians will fight back. Israel have made things worse for themselves. Iran looms on their horizon too.

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Sadly Whitewavemark2 in certain cases it’s all too true.

I have no doubt anti-semtism exists. But it is an entirely different issue to what we are discussing which is the Israeli governments actions

Because most people don’t see it, they think it doesn’t exist.It’s not entirely divorced from the present situation as so many mix up Israel, Israeli Jews and any Jews in their heads, and others don’t mix it up accidentally but with real purpose.

Calm down Whitewave with respect you tend to get so excited when The Holocaust is mentioned, I recall your
posts on Holocaust Memorial Day 2024

The Israeli government could not govern without the Israelis
the Palestinian Hamas government couldn’t govern without
the Palestinians

I think the subject of anti-semtism needs a whole new thread.

This isn’t the thread for it, because it deflects from the main issue.

This thread is for discussing the horrors taking place in Gaza.

Those who do the later are wrong, and are correctly named as being anti-semitic.
Those who oppose Netanyahu and his evil genocide, are incorrectly named anti-semitic.
I believe that, in some cases naming, the anti Netanyahu folk in such a way is an attempt, that used to work, to shut them down.

Quote AGAA4 Thu 10-Jul-25 14:08:09
"Where there is oppression there will be resistance". It's inevitable that Palestinians will fight back. Israel have made things worse for themselves. Iran looms on their horizon too.

Really, what oppression caused the Arab Jewish War 1948 ?
five counties were oppressed. ? No

AnnieB, that's a wee bit like saying Putin could not govern without the Russians.

Anniebach, I do find your attitude to the ordinary people in Palestine extraordinary. The Israelites have committed genocide. You don't get lower than that. No wonder people get upset we are not made of stone

Anniebach I'm posting about the situation in Gaza. There has been fighting ever since Britain allowed Jews into a land populated by Arabs.
It can never work and will never work.

AGAA4 Thu 10-Jul-25 14:22:15
Anniebach I'm posting about the situation in Gaza. There has been fighting ever since Britain allowed Jews into a land populated by Arabs.
It can never work and will never work.

I referred to a post of oppression, were Jews oppressing 5
Arab countries ?

I’m not shutting anyone down, it would hardly work on here anyway.
I challenge the ‘evil genocide’ of course, because it isn’t.As I said earlier if it’s genocide then the IDF must be hopeless as there are two million Gazans there at the moment.
You are all getting critical of a plan that hasn’t even materialised as yet, and maybe never will, tho I can’t see another way to clear Gaza both of remaining clumps of hamas and dangerous buildings without building camps or one big camp to house and feed the population.

So furthering the argument that genocide is taking place in Gaza we can look to the Channel 4 documentary that showed that every single hospital (32) has been targeted again and again.

So it appears that a disproportionate doctors have been killed or arrested and tortured.

The argument by the Israelis is that Hamas is operating in tunnels under the hospitals. However, they have been unable to show one hospital where this is happening and yet they wreck or in some cases completely destroy the hospital even though their intelligence was incorrect. Where a hospital wasn’t initially destroyed, the IDF go back and frequently have another go, eventually rendering the hospital useless.
Arguably the easiest way to get rid of a population is to destroy their infrastructure particularly their health care system.

With thanks to trip.

Quote Allsorts Thu 10-Jul-25 14:21:49
Anniebach, I do find your attitude to the ordinary people in Palestine extraordinary. The Israelites have committed genocide. You don't get lower than that. No wonder people get upset we are not made of stone

“We are not made of stone “ You are an ordinary person in Palestine?

Weapons were stored in hospitals and doctors sometimes were part of keeping hostages prisoner ( two hostages affirmed that) and we don’t know the true extent of how and when hospitals were used by hamas.
Barring the occasional mistake by intelligence people then nobody can say how much hospitals and their staff were involved with hamas or what was stored there.

Annie, I don't know what you're on about. You cannot see any wrong with Israel so it’s pointless. All this harping back to the Holicaust. Why!, What they suffered they are doing to others.

Oreo

Weapons were stored in hospitals and doctors sometimes were part of keeping hostages prisoner ( two hostages affirmed that) and we don’t know the true extent of how and when hospitals were used by hamas.
Barring the occasional mistake by intelligence people then nobody can say how much hospitals and their staff were involved with hamas or what was stored there.

Neither can the IDF as they have produced no evidence apart from a few weapons.

But how on earth does that warrant completely destroying the hospital?

In war situations hospitals are supposed to be immune to attack. Common decency.
It seems it was fair game for Israel to destroy almost every hospital and kill the occupants with no evidence that Hamas were there. Also ambulances were attacked and doctors killed.

Quote Allsorts Thu 10-Jul-25 14:38:47
Annie, I don't know what you're on about. You cannot see any wrong with Israel so it’s pointless. All this harping back to the Holicaust. Why!, What they suffered they are doing to others.

I do not harp on about the Holocaust, I leave that to Whitewave, there is no comparison with Israel’s actions in Gaza and The Holocaust

I read a report trying to explain why so many Medics were being targetted. The report said it was because the Medics were credible witnesses to the injuries being caused, for example, the bullet injuries on small children, 2 shots, one to the chest and one to the head. Not random, stray gunshots, but targetted sniper fire.

Those toddlers are such a danger to an IDF soldier with a gun.

Quote AGAA4 Thu 10-Jul-25 15:01:46
Those toddlers are such a danger to an IDF soldier with a gun.

As much danger as the Israeli tinies sexually abused, put in ovens, taken hostage and strangled,

Two wrongs don't make a right Annie; never have and never will.

Anniebach

Quote AGAA4 Thu 10-Jul-25 15:01:46
Those toddlers are such a danger to an IDF soldier with a gun.

As much danger as the Israeli tinies sexually abused, put in ovens, taken hostage and strangled,

So you want the IDF to be condemned for terrorism, in the same way Hamas are. They're equals. I get it now!

Quote Smileless2012 Thu 10-Jul-25 15:30:58
Two wrongs don't make a right Annie; never have and never will.

I didn’t say they did , I do think after what Jews suffered in
The Holocaust the horrors of 7th October 2023 must have
been torture for them, not Never Again but “again? “