Makes you proud to be British...NOT!

These scandals are long overdue to be addressed. However, getting fed up with Keir Starmer being blamed for every historic occurrence that has taken place. The government have been in power for one year and within that time there has been much that has occurred in the world which has needed careful handling. Give him a break for goodness sake.

The link by casdon does put it all in a bit more perspective I think.

I heard a bit on a news channel about the Epstein case.

Then there is the Justin Welby resignation. He said that, was it a reason or an excues, I forget, but the amount of abuse scandals in the Church he had found overwhelming to deal with.

Not sure how and if it could be done, but do there need to be government employees employed to deal with large scandal cases.

In the Post Office link, it is clear that some of it is complex. And I assume would need some lawyers to sort out?

MayBee70

Oh phew! I was really confused ( not unusual for me!). I do wish we had an edit button…!

You and me both with the confusion! Thank you for being so kind about it. Like you, I wish we had an edit button. In fact, I wish my brain had one. Perhaps then, I’d keep out of trouble!
Anyway, thanks again.
Hope your day is a good one.💐

Hey, MayBee70, was that our first row?? 🤭😂

I forget where I read it, TV or the Guardian, but some really clever person was saying the redress always takes too long because there is no official structure to deal with such miscarriages of justice as the Windrush scandal, the infected blood scandal, and the Post Office scandal.

That such miscarriages of justice are likely to happen repeatedly, so we need a new department that synthesises all the separate experiences for mutual efficiency.

I wold agree with that.

I think it is badly missing.

If people at the top do really care about its' citizens and their wellbeing in general, it needs to happen quickly.

ExDancer

Where's the money to come from? The government doesn' t have a bottomless pit they can dip into at the drop of a hat. I'd gladly pay an extra amount in tax to compensate these unfortunate people, especially if they were given it NOW, would you?

Of course we have a 'bottomless pit' the government can call on, some posters have pointed out a couple and I'd add the some £900billion created by quantitative easing since 2008.

It's called fiat currency. That is, currency not 'backed' by anything except trust which can be created by the government at will. The limiting factor on this is the resources available for purchase and the danger of inflation.
Inflation can be controlled by the government taxing back a proportion of the money it issues. Resources? Well, it's pretty obvious if resources are available or not.

The real purpose of money is to enable economic activity and it is most useful when circulating in the economy. The problem with big projects like HS2 (leaving aside one's opinion on the need for it) is that, although some of the money it has cost has circulated (after all, the workers and suppliers had to be paid) a great deal of the money has ended up in the hands of the already wealthy (e.g. corporations, shareholders and big businesses), who are famously known for their tendency not to spend much of it in the domestic economy but to save it in ways which improve their wealth holdings, where it is doing nothing which benefits the national economy.

They are enabled by a tax regime which favours them when it could more usefully prevent them acquiring so much and leaving it doing nothing.

I'm all for increasing taxation but increasing taxation by progressive measures which restrain the acquisition of wealth, not place greater burdens on the squeezed middle and the just about managing...

fancythat

The link by casdon does put it all in a bit more perspective I think.

I heard a bit on a news channel about the Epstein case.

Then there is the Justin Welby resignation. He said that, was it a reason or an excues, I forget, but the amount of abuse scandals in the Church he had found overwhelming to deal with.

Not sure how and if it could be done, but do there need to be government employees employed to deal with large scandal cases.

In the Post Office link, it is clear that some of it is complex. And I assume would need some lawyers to sort out?

What do you think the lawyers have been doing for years?
I know one thing the post office lawyers have been doing and that is they are dragging it out for as long as they can.
They are under orders from their pay masters to hang it out as long as the government allows.
The other reason being they have been handed an open cheque.its not in the lawyers interest to sort this obscene fiasco out.

You cannot VOTE for Starmer unless he stands as a candidate in your constituency !!!!
So let’s forget that comment and realise that there are only so many hours in the day for the man!!
The PO debacle is shameful and could have been sorted well before this Gov came to power as could the blood issue but no let’ s throw the blame on those left to clear up the mess! Short memories in here !!

My father in law was victim to contaminated blood( he had surgery on his heart and the blood transfusion was with contaminated blood!) (it was all greeed) in France. The then health minister was convicted some went to prison. The family got compensation! Not vast amounts but something! This was years ago! Practically immediately the scandal was discovered?
This country is a total disgrace!
Treats its citizens with such contempt!
Governments take no responsibility for anything!
Just stand up and be counted.
Another reason for corporate manslsughter

MaizieD
Once again a perfect summary.

EzDancer
I don’t know how old you are or where you live. But did you ever wonder where the money came from to achieve the London slum clearance. Where the money came from to build the new towns where people were moved out to when their homes were demolished. Where the money came from to rebuild our decimated Army, Navy, Airforce. New schools, etc.
How did we build the wonderful Concord.
All the answers are in MaizieD’s reply.

Anyone on this thread who thinks there is any comparison between Trump and Starmer is frankly on another planet. Look around you. Imagine what is happening in the US. Talk to your American friends. Actually I am proud to be British - not at everything of course, and these scandals need sorting. As it would appear to be an “easy win” for the government to look big, I suspect there are all sorts of spanners needing to be dragged out of works, there usually are. Starmer is a bit of a bloke but a pretty generally good man. Nothing repeat nothing like Trump, a serial sex offender, who is making a fortune corruptly whilst causing international chaos and with a family dynasty a bit like the Borgias. This post probably means I will be turned back at US customs. I used to live there but I am in no rush to visit.

Starmer: So let’s forget that comment and realise that there are only so many hours in the day for the man!!

We're not expecting him to take charge in person! It doesn't take long to say : "Expedite this as matter of urgency!".

Talk to your American friends.

Strange though it may seem, we don't have any! I never really thought about it until I read your post.

So let’s forget that comment and realise that there are only so many hours in the day for the man!!

He has 6,000 minions or whatever the number is.

Your hours in the day comment doesnt wash with me.

petra

MaizieD
Once again a perfect summary.

EzDancer
I don’t know how old you are or where you live. But did you ever wonder where the money came from to achieve the London slum clearance. Where the money came from to build the new towns where people were moved out to when their homes were demolished. Where the money came from to rebuild our decimated Army, Navy, Airforce. New schools, etc.
How did we build the wonderful Concord.
All the answers are in MaizieD’s reply.

I never agree with MaizieD on this issue.

If so, the whole world would be fully of daisys and dancing.

Allira

Starmer: So let’s forget that comment and realise that there are only so many hours in the day for the man!!

We're not expecting him to take charge in person! It doesn't take long to say : "Expedite this as matter of urgency!".

Quite

My concern is that the people involved in the scandals - those that perpetuated the problem e.g by saying "you are the only one" will have left the country and will not be seen again . I say that as some of those involved in causing the collapse of British Leyland were never brought to justice and could not be found. The victims will always be left to keep fighting as the system appears to be set up to protect the crooks. I want to be proven wrong but history has not shown that

fancythat

^So let’s forget that comment and realise that there are only so many hours in the day for the man!!^

He has 6,000 minions or whatever the number is.

Your hours in the day comment doesnt wash with me.

It wasn't my comment. 😂

Read my post again.

Oh, you did! 😂😂😂

My comment was based on contributors blaming Starmer for everything. He doesn’t have “ minions” but hard working people ( on the whole) who I suspect would love to sign off both of these major issues if only the legal teams of the guilty companies would allow them to.

Susieq62

My comment was based on contributors blaming Starmer for everything. He doesn’t have “ minions” but hard working people ( on the whole) who I suspect would love to sign off both of these major issues if only the legal teams of the guilty companies would allow them to.

Precisely…

The Tories had 14 years to "sort things out" Sir Keith Starmer has had 12 months, give him a chance for goodness sake.

Has he made any moves to do so?

This thread seems to have hit a raw nerve for some people.

I am sorry, but Labour, Tory, whatever Political Party, Starmer is now the head of the UK.
They will all be guilty if they dont sort things.

Or are posters saying that the Uk is unable to sort out big scandals of whatever kind, any longer?

I suggest you read the Wikipedia entry fancythat, it’s long and a good summary of all the issues, and what action has been taken when, and by whom. The current inquiry was commissioned before Labour came into power, and the first report came out at the end of June 2025, the response/action plan is required by October 2025.
You can check the House of Lords library if you want to read the review of the compensation payments, they concluded at the beginning of this year that improvements had been made, but more was needed. Here is the latest government position statement.
www.gov.uk/government/news/compensation-to-postmasters-reaches-1-billion-milestone