Resident (Junior) Doctors vote to strike

If I see anyone of them on tv saying they don't want to strike, I'll scream .

They should all grow up and start behaving as the adults they claim to be.

The bosses should tell them to get back to work by a particular time and date and if not, they should find themselves on the dole queue.

I'm far from being a fan of Elton Moosk...Musk whatever the idiots stupid name is but I fully agreed with him when he basically said that to his lazy stay-at-home ''workers'' who refused to go back to the office.....''come back to the physical office or I'll sack you on the spot''

The same idea should apply to the striking medics. They're being excessively greedy and selfish.

Sheer greed and political BMA. Surely Streeting will see them off.

I have no sympathy for them this time. They disrupted hospitals for months before coming to an agreement and now have decided to have another go

Exactly how much do the strikers earn and how much do they want? Perhaps they should consider a change of career to finance?
The last time the junior doctors went on strike, my local hospital was working well without them. It was easier for the senior doctors to get on with the work…..

I watched the live stream of my DGD’s graduation from King’s last Friday with tears in my eyes when they stood for the oath. 🤔
She starts her first residency next month and is away on holiday so I have no idea how she feels about the strike.
I feel quite sad after last week’s euphoria. 😢

Why on earth should the good will of these junior doctors be exploited?
Over the past decades they have been forced to work ridiculously long dangerous hours and it’s time it stopped.
I am with them all the way.

This is not true dogsmother maybe forty years ago when the working hours were extreme. However two now retired doctors thought that was a better system as there is so much to learn in medicine. Doctors now don’t have the same breadth of knowledge and experience it was suggested to me. I don’t know who is right…..

GrannyGravy13

Resident doctors will walk out at 7am on 25th July and not return until 7am five days later.

They are asking for a 29% pay rise.

The BMA blame the Government for not considering an increase on the offered 5.4% pay rise.

The BMA has been taken over by the militant left wing and has to be confronted head on by the government.

So am I dogsmother. Five years study, with £100,000 debt when the finish. Starting salary of £37,000. Three year computer studies degree, much lower student debt, start salary £60,000 and good working conditions.

Australia offering them a £50,000 welcome handshake, half student debt cleared immediately.

We need to ask what the starting salary for such important, well educated professionals should be. Can we afford not to improve salary and working conditions? About five years ago, Friends in Greece told me five young doctors from their group had gone to Germany for better pay and conditions.

ronib

Exactly how much do the strikers earn and how much do they want? Perhaps they should consider a change of career to finance?
The last time the junior doctors went on strike, my local hospital was working well without them. It was easier for the senior doctors to get on with the work…..

Here

Everyone’s salaries have been playing catch up over the years, why should doctors be any different?
Teachers, firefighters and police included, also nurses.

They still do really long shifts here and often don’t even have time to have any meals. My grandson is a junior doctor and I’d say they are way underpaid here but they still earn more than they do in the UK. I don’t agree with strikes by essential workers,though and hope we are never subject to that.

There last pay award was 5.4% (comprising of a 4% rise and a £750 consolidated payment) for this financial year along with a 22% increase over the previous two years.

This brings the average full-time basic pay for a resident doctor to approximately £54,300 (source GOV.UK.blogs)

A full time customer assistant (on the till) in Morrisons earns approx £18K per year. No thousands of £s of training debt to be paid off.

A doctor’s starting salary is £37K.

No disrespect to Morrisons customer assistants (just using this as an example) …
but compare the responsibility of the two jobs.

Smileless2012

If I see anyone of them on tv saying they don't want to strike, I'll scream .

... and what while that achieve?

I don't agree that junior doctors are being exploited any more than other public sector workers, notably teachers (whose pay increases had to be met from within schools' budgets).. The country is in a state of crisis. This is not the time to be making extra demands.

Both necessary jobs but in any case you can’t compare as they are apples and pears.
Resident doctors should realise that they’re being used as pawns by the BMA.

NHS Resolution paid out £2.8 billion funded by the taxpayer for medical negligence. 2023
There’s scope for new thinking about the NHS??

From www:/bma.org.uk

In Foundation training you will earn a basic salary of £38,831 to £44,439 (from 1 April 2025). If you are a doctor starting your specialist training in 2025 your basic salary will be £52,656 to £73,992.

This is before overtime, weekends or night duty are added on.

Iam64

So am I dogsmother. Five years study, with £100,000 debt when the finish. Starting salary of £37,000. Three year computer studies degree, much lower student debt, start salary £60,000 and good working conditions.

Australia offering them a £50,000 welcome handshake, half student debt cleared immediately.

We need to ask what the starting salary for such important, well educated professionals should be. Can we afford not to improve salary and working conditions? About five years ago, Friends in Greece told me five young doctors from their group had gone to Germany for better pay and conditions.

Thank you for that information Iam64. The world has changed and we need to keep ourselves up to date.

LizzieDrip and Iam64 Wes Streeting has just been speaking at the dispatch box, his figures are just over what I copied from the BMA website.

It is not an easy job but they get paid a lot less than entertainers, footballers and plumbers. Things are crook in Tallarook as they say.

I agree dogsmother , and with the above poster Nanna 8....someone will jump down my throat for this but..footballers earn huge salaries for playing a game,how can anyone compare them to doctors who have done at least 5 years training, to save lives