Resident (Junior) Doctors vote to strike

But Lathyrus I found this on Googling?

Government Funding:
The UK government invests heavily in medical training, with estimates around £230,000 per doctor, but this includes salaries paid during foundation training and other costs.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Perhaps after all the training here, doctors should sign up to working for the NHS for ‘x’ number of years? That seems only fair - rather than taking their newly qualified skills abroad?

👋 thank you nanna8 it’s lovely to be back!

It’s a misconception that the NHS “provides training”.

Doctors pay for their degree, just like any other university degree. Their work in the NHS provides the NHS with medical staff so the training is a reciprocal arrangement that benefits both at the time.

They “owe” the NHS nothing when they have qualified. What they do owe is a massive student debt that has to be repaid.

If the training were provided free then to expect to work for the NHS for a specified number of years would be just, but not otherwise. If it was feted as an option I think many would take it, rather than the debt.

PoliticsNerd

Whitewavemark2

I thought Lord Winston was a Labour peer?

He is. But he has supported some very right-wing view of late. Perhaps, like many older people, he is economically left and socially right?

More likely economically right and socially left when you think about it PoliticsNerd!

Quote PoliticsNerd Fri 11-Jul-25 08:21:47
Anniebach
Whitewavemark2 Fri 11-Jul-25 08:05:26
I thought Lord Winston was a Labour peer?

Shouldn’t a Labour Party member criticise the doctors strike ?
He can critise what he wants. It is, however, useful to understand people's bias if someone suggests he is a figure whose views count in some way.

Biased as a doctor or Labour Party member ?

If someone is biased, they prefer one group of people to another, and behave unfairly as a result.

Perhaps after all the training here, doctors should sign up to working for the NHS for ‘x’ number of years? That seems only fair - rather than taking their newly qualified skills abroad?

👋 thank you nanna8 it’s lovely to be back!

Anniebach

Whitewavemark2 Fri 11-Jul-25 08:05:26
I thought Lord Winston was a Labour peer?

Shouldn’t a Labour Party member criticise the doctors strike ?

He can critise what he wants. It is, however, useful to understand people's bias if someone suggests he is a figure whose views count in some way.

Anniebach

Whitewavemark2 Fri 11-Jul-25 08:05:26
I thought Lord Winston was a Labour peer?

Shouldn’t a Labour Party member criticise the doctors strike ?

Sorry my post was to politicsnerd who suggested that he was right wing.

Whitewavemark2

I thought Lord Winston was a Labour peer?

He is. But he has supported some very right-wing view of late. Perhaps, like many older people, he is economically left and socially right?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 11-Jul-25 08:05:26
I thought Lord Winston was a Labour peer?

Shouldn’t a Labour Party member criticise the doctors strike ?

Allira, your Consultant had presumably worked in the nhs many years before going to Australia for a couple of years. My concern is our nhs losing many young doctors to Australia, Germany and more. A £50,000 welcome to pay off half your student debt, then a bigger salary and much better working conditions.

I thought Lord Winston was a Labour peer?

Lord Winston

Strike action completely ignores the vulnerability of people in front of you," he added.

Aveline

I see Robert Winston has resigned from the BMA after decades of membership. He's appalled at the junior doctors. That says a lot.

At 84 I've no doubt he is living very comfortably on Pensions and speaking fees. He is certainly very much to the right in politics. As twice as many over 65s voted Conservative in the last election by compared to the under 65s that doesn't come as a suprise. I'm also sure that demographic is true on Gransnet.

My immediate reaction was that it is a very mean thing to do, and that I disagree with their action because they had such a good deal when labour took office and 5+% seems reasonable given the inflation rate etc.

However, the more I think about it the more muddy the waters get.

So once again I’m - at the moment - on the fence with this one.

One thing I think perhaps could be looked at is the enormous student debt that they incur.

My cousins daughter recently qualified - well during covid, and is now working in Australia. All that training - lost - to Australia's benefit. That doesn’t seem right. But talking to her, I can absolutely understand her reasons, although I’m not sure that I would have made the same decision.

Perhaps they could train at a very reduced debt if they work for a given amount of time in the nhs that provided their training?
It could be voluntary, but they have to sign up.

Oh welcome back * FriedGreenTomatoes2* Good to see you again!

I see Robert Winston has resigned from the BMA after decades of membership. He's appalled at the junior doctors. That says a lot.

What upsetting news. Holding the NHS to ransom again!
I dread to think what the consequences will be.
I have definitely lost my patience with them now.

My sister messaged me “Do they not know the salary scheme before they take the job?”

merlotgran

Rock on, Tommy! 😂

😁

Iam64

Can the country afford to offer more? Can it afford not to

My Consultant went to Australia for couple of years but came back again.

Rock on, Tommy! 😂

Good point Iam.
But something’s got to give. Net zero hopefully.

Tommy ??

I typed rocky!!

Can the country afford to offer more? Can it afford not to

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Wes Streeting is so anti the strike while at the same time Angela Rayner is wanting to make it easier for strikes to be called. 🤷‍♀️
Best hang onto our hats.

We could be in for a Tommy ride!

I wonder what the Consultants think?