Do the Labour Party have Communist policies?

David49

“What do you mean by "nationalistic tendencies"? I didn't realise he was trying to wipe them out (whatever they are). Incidentally, Starmer is the PM of the whole UK, not just England.”

It is quite acceptable to be proud of your Scottish, Welsh or even Yorkshire heritage, but somehow showing pride of English heritage is termed nationalism

So what do you mean by nationalistic?

It's not about pride in heritage (British, English or whatever) - there's more to nationalism than that.

PS. Starmer is still PM of the whole UK, not just England.

For me I’m just happy to have been born and lived in England and compared to any of the countries I’ve visited its fairer and freer than any other.

nanna8

Lyndie

Make of it what you will. I just remembered he said he was a Marxist fairly recently and as I couldn't remember when, so I tried to find out more and this came up.

Yes he did, I remember hearing that,too. On more than one occasion and seeing that I live many,many miles away it must have been quite widespread, within the last couple of years. It explains some of his actions and his desire to wipe out nationalistic tendencies in England.Luckily he isn’t very strong as a leader so he doesn’t follow his inner yearnings.

Oh nanna - it seems to me you've expressed it all upside down.

Its because he is strong as a leader - and does what a good politician has to - compromise on idealistic yearnings in order to get things done!

David49

For me I’m just happy to have been born and lived in England and compared to any of the countries I’ve visited its fairer and freer than any other.

David49 For once, I'm not going to argue with you. I can't honestly say that I'm proud of something over which I had no control. I was born in England, as were my parents and many generations going back about 500 years.

There is much I'd change about England (and the UK) if I had the choice. Nevertheless, I am so grateful that I was lucky enough to be born British.

If that makes me unnationalistic, so be it. I've never noticed that Starmer is unnationalistic either. I could criticise him for loads, but not caring about the country is not one of my criticisms.

I really think it would be useful if people discussing nationalism all meant the same thing.

David49

For me I’m just happy to have been born and lived in England and compared to any of the countries I’ve visited its fairer and freer than any other.

I also agree with you David and growstuff.

Yes, the UK is not perfect (what country is!) but, on balance, I am glad to have been born here and to live here. I value the freedoms we have compared to many others in the world.

We like to moan about what’s wrong with our country … but at least we have the freedom to do so.

I would like folk to sing the praises of our lovely country a bit more!

Yes, me too.

for all our people whatever the background the loving our place and the moaning about it, the way we can easily approach each other via the weather (😂), the way we have our summers and winters and glorious transition times of spring and autumn, to a political system that somehow "just grewed up"

and kept safe, whatever the shortcomings, by a pretty independent judiciary, our appreciation

- if only we would give it

- for differences both multi cultural and regional (I can't understand someone from Glasgow any more than from furrin' parts).

I think if I were to say what I missed, its a bit more of a Latin temperament, but of course, that's a personal feeling.

What about Geordies Wyllow? Or are we tricky to understand too

I cannot understand the labeling of Keir Starmer as a communist.

To hold that perspective, and see what Starmer is doing as Communist, you would really have to stand very much to the right - perspective is everything in politics. The idea is inconsistent with Starmer's political record, policy positions, and ideological positions. These align more closely with social democracy than with communism.

Galaxy

What about Geordies Wyllow? Or are we tricky to understand too

Always, regional or overseas accents are hardest to pick up, when different words are used, fast pace of speech makes it worse.

David49

Galaxy

What about Geordies Wyllow? Or are we tricky to understand too

Always, regional or overseas accents are hardest to pick up, when different words are used, fast pace of speech makes it worse.

There you are, Galaxy. You’re tricky to understand😆

I didn’t find the Durham accent problematic (note, I know Durhamers aren’t Geordies..) but I had come from Essex via Yorkshire so was probably more attuned to northern accents…🤔

Galaxy

What about Geordies Wyllow? Or are we tricky to understand too

One of the great accents, love it, it's a fun challenge to "mirror", isnt it? ( my family live up there).

I've already practiced talking in shops local to them, and a long chat 11 yr old in a playground who was taking care of younger sibs for her Mam.

My guess - big Sis had taken roll of carer.

She was curious as my second DGD has many disabilities including hardly seeing anything and my was she quick to catch on. In her language, of course.

Naturally bright kids dont need an interpreter with an interested Gran who cared about them all and picked up their dialect.

Curious glances from Mam sitting 30 years away with her friend.

Lovely all round 🙂.

Where was this Wyllow3 in darkest Peru?
😁

Ah ha! Deepest lightest countryside beyond Durham in. Being in the country side not "town sharp" means ( - translation wise ) - slower speech I also prefer people to speak slowly not I'm older, is it just me?

My favourite accent is deepest Yorkshire, dying out now, but still heard from older people - I'm sure its common to other dialects too?

Is to still use "thee and "thou".

A very local one I like is hearing older working men call each other "love". Is it so local?

Its all Communist, I tell you!

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I ask because when I venture down South people will often ask if I am Scottish, I grew up in Northumberland but I really don't think I sound Scottish.

I am Southern English by birth and upbringing, now living in Scotland. People up here ask me if I am from Newcastle, When I deny it they ask "What about Yorkshire?" Accents become hybridised.

Nothumberland accent is quite different from Geordie, IMO, and a real oldfashioned one is beautiful

Yes I agree it is lovely, I don't have that type of old fashioned northumbrian accent though, mine will be a mix of various areas of the north.

Well using the word bairn for example stretches north all the way to Scotland...

My gardener suddenly said to me last night when he came to have a look at a pratuclra job

"do you come from Hull?" And yes I do. We have a particular vowel sound I havent heard anywhere else.

Instead of saying, "telephone" we say, "Telefern".

Try it out, the mouth has to have a completely different shape.

It's unmistakable and I have no idea what the origin could be.
German/Anglo Saxon is "Telefon", but so is French/Latin, so it isn't that.

(dont live there now)

There is also instead of Roadworks "Roadwerks"

and the best of all - instead of "no snow"

its

"ner snew" 🙂

German/Anglo Saxon is "Telefon", but so is French/Latin, so it isn't that

I never knew the Angles, Saxons or Romans had telephones.
(Every days a school day on GM)

Although the word telephone comes more actually from the Greek from”tele” meaning “far” and “phone” meaning voice.
The original German word was ^ Fernsprecher^ = “distant speaker”
You’re welcome!

“More accurately” - sorry, predictive text again.

* RosieandherMaw* Maybe I should ask for a move to Pedants corner

English is very much a “bastard” language there are words from many other languages in common everyday use, some are only used regionally many are widespread.
Within UK different pronunciations and contexts can make understanding difficult, add to the the differences in overseas language use, Jamaican versus Indian spoken English, it takes a while to pick up the thread of a conversation.

Wyllow3

* RosieandherMaw* Maybe I should ask for a move to Pedants corner

The history of language has always fascinated me!
I remember being told how the “everyday” words were often of Germanic origin but the “posher” or high falutin’ were more usually from Latin via Norman French.
Eg stool (what the peasants sat on) and “Stuhl” in German. Whereas a chair perhaps with arms and a back was only for the better off - “chaise” (French)
Church/ Kirk in Scotland - “Kirche” - German but *ecclesiastical” from ecclesia Latin and église (French)
I used to enjoy “playing” this with the children trying to come up with examples. (Sad person, I know!) 🤣