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Do the Labour Party have Communist policies?

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Wyllow3 Sat 12-Jul-25 11:39:47

There has been some confusion, over quite a long time on GN, by posters who suggest or state that the Labour Party has Communist policies

This is so incorrect, I decided to explain what Communism actual was both in theory and in the "Communist" states we have had/do have.

. My parents were Communists - and have also studied politics and economics at uni.

We haven’t ever had a ‘true” Communist society, but these are the features:

No one, no one at all, owns any private property, nor owns any businesses, nor own any land, nor the means of production, nor goods beyond their needs.



All run by the state, which in theory was post a workers revolution, and workers co-operatives.


In the original communist theory:

People are paid not according to their abilities, but their needs. 

All health and education and similar services are run by the state, no private opportunities at all. 



All receive a state pension/welfare is necessary however much they have paid in, ie, again, according to need, not savings and so on.



Of course, the societies called Communist did not reach this theoretical Communism, but there was certainly no private ownership or other kinds of ownership as described as above: and health, education and welfare all run by the state.

Note - meals were provided at work, and schools and all welfare places, but there was only a few years when meals were communally provided for those who wanted

Most people, as we do, wanted to eat at home except for lunch or other work breaks, where food was still supplied, and did so, once the turmoil of revolution ended

*But States we called Communist were was not run by Worker’s Co-operatives, they were run by supposedly free elections -

- hence the rise of those in power as we have known them, and the KGB et al*

I suggest we stop using the term Communist unless it is accurate.

It as happened so many times I decided to explain, and will again.

So.....hence this thread.

Wyllow3 Mon 28-Jul-25 12:56:34

Of course, it's nice to be helpful, but for goodness sake, we cant manage this under some of life's strains and stresses. 💁

Flippinheck Sun 27-Jul-25 20:35:34

RosieandherMaw

^It seems you have problems researching nanna8 I'm sorry about that but I'm not sure how your post is supposed to be helpful^.
How patronising 😟
A poster’s opinion is just that and she has every right to express it without “teacher” grading her researching ability.
Voltaire probably never actually said the following words attributed to him, but they encapsulate his attitude to free speech and say it so well when much of his writing attacked the Catholic Church’s attempts to restrict people’s liberty at the time.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
Some people would do well to think on.

This. Well said. Attempts to intimidate and belittle put the poster in a poor light. Surely people are allowed to comment without necessarily being ‘helpful’.

growstuff Sun 27-Jul-25 01:51:36

Wyllow3

(dont live there now)

There is also instead of Roadworks "Roadwerks"

and the best of all - instead of "no snow"

its

"ner snew" 🙂

The "er" sound for "o" is a well-known feature of a Hull accent.

Wyllow3 Sat 26-Jul-25 23:58:23

It was a wonderful dream which my father needed to believe in like a religion. I often wonder if he hadn't died young his heart would have been broken by it, aa he had a heart attack in 1971....but the writing on the wall was there anyway with the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

Just as the sort of religious person who believes in a God who can change destinies (as opposed to a sense of the spiritual but not a god/God who has control of our destinies, feel a great loss if that belief fails.

But human nature will always have the dark and the light within it at many levels of meaning and human activity

When I went to Uni I encountered go course Communists who we would now see as to the left of the Party, but not Corbyn,

which was the path I took on and off with many others. (Feminism became much more important and also cultural issues like multiculturalism, domestic and grooming abuse, and climate change, anti racism and so on).

Wyllow3 Sat 26-Jul-25 23:39:58

Yes.

Caleo Sat 19-Jul-25 18:07:23

Thanks Wyllow , And thanks in advance if you feel a refresher is needed.

Could you also write how communism differs from socialism?

Do you think communism theory is too optimistic about human nature for communism to succeed?

Caleo Sat 19-Jul-25 18:01:54

RosieandherMaw

Wyllow3

* RosieandherMaw* Maybe I should ask for a move to Pedants corner grin

The history of language has always fascinated me!
I remember being told how the “everyday” words were often of Germanic origin but the “posher” or high falutin’ were more usually from Latin via Norman French.
Eg stool (what the peasants sat on) and “Stuhl” in German. Whereas a chair perhaps with arms and a back was only for the better off - “chaise” (French)
Church/ Kirk in Scotland - “Kirche” - German but *ecclesiastical” from ecclesia Latin and église (French)
I used to enjoy “playing” this with the children trying to come up with examples. (Sad person, I know!) 🤣

Me too Rosie and her Maw. I like to know the social implications of etymologies of words. I also like to notice how dialects are higher or lower social status .

PoliticsNerd Thu 17-Jul-25 10:20:54

Well not we'll. Wretched predictive text!

PoliticsNerd Thu 17-Jul-25 10:19:45

I love it too RosieandherMaw just as I love learning about the history of costume. They both explain social history, the history of how people lived not what can be the somewhat dry "history" we are often taught - although we'll taught that can also be interesting too.

Sudden thought - I wonder if that why I enjoy politics too?

Wyllow3 Thu 17-Jul-25 10:16:37

Not sad at all, I feel just the same. It's fascinating stuff. I love "detail" in lots of areas as in, "how did this or that come to be?"

RosieandherMaw Thu 17-Jul-25 09:08:56

Wyllow3

* RosieandherMaw* Maybe I should ask for a move to Pedants corner grin

The history of language has always fascinated me!
I remember being told how the “everyday” words were often of Germanic origin but the “posher” or high falutin’ were more usually from Latin via Norman French.
Eg stool (what the peasants sat on) and “Stuhl” in German. Whereas a chair perhaps with arms and a back was only for the better off - “chaise” (French)
Church/ Kirk in Scotland - “Kirche” - German but *ecclesiastical” from ecclesia Latin and église (French)
I used to enjoy “playing” this with the children trying to come up with examples. (Sad person, I know!) 🤣

David49 Thu 17-Jul-25 07:18:07

English is very much a “bastard” language there are words from many other languages in common everyday use, some are only used regionally many are widespread.
Within UK different pronunciations and contexts can make understanding difficult, add to the the differences in overseas language use, Jamaican versus Indian spoken English, it takes a while to pick up the thread of a conversation.

Wyllow3 Thu 17-Jul-25 07:13:59

* RosieandherMaw* Maybe I should ask for a move to Pedants corner grin

RosieandherMaw Thu 17-Jul-25 07:02:38

“More accurately” - sorry, predictive text again.

RosieandherMaw Thu 17-Jul-25 07:00:25

German/Anglo Saxon is "Telefon", but so is French/Latin, so it isn't that

I never knew the Angles, Saxons or Romans had telephones.
(Every days a school day on GM)

Although the word telephone comes more actually from the Greek from”tele” meaning “far” and “phone” meaning voice.
The original German word was ^ Fernsprecher^ = “distant speaker”
You’re welcome!

Wyllow3 Wed 16-Jul-25 23:45:59

(dont live there now)

There is also instead of Roadworks "Roadwerks"

and the best of all - instead of "no snow"

its

"ner snew" 🙂

Wyllow3 Wed 16-Jul-25 23:42:35

Well using the word bairn for example stretches north all the way to Scotland...

My gardener suddenly said to me last night when he came to have a look at a pratuclra job

"do you come from Hull?" And yes I do. We have a particular vowel sound I havent heard anywhere else.

Instead of saying, "telephone" we say, "Telefern".

Try it out, the mouth has to have a completely different shape.

It's unmistakable and I have no idea what the origin could be.
German/Anglo Saxon is "Telefon", but so is French/Latin, so it isn't that.

Galaxy Wed 16-Jul-25 18:39:47

Yes I agree it is lovely, I don't have that type of old fashioned northumbrian accent though, mine will be a mix of various areas of the north.

MaizieD Wed 16-Jul-25 18:36:59

Nothumberland accent is quite different from Geordie, IMO, and a real oldfashioned one is beautiful grin

Elegran Wed 16-Jul-25 18:21:00

I am Southern English by birth and upbringing, now living in Scotland. People up here ask me if I am from Newcastle, When I deny it they ask "What about Yorkshire?" Accents become hybridised.

Galaxy Wed 16-Jul-25 17:45:05

I ask because when I venture down Southgrin people will often ask if I am Scottish, I grew up in Northumberland but I really don't think I sound Scottish.

Wyllow3 Wed 16-Jul-25 14:13:04

Its all Communist, I tell you!

............😂............

Wyllow3 Wed 16-Jul-25 14:10:33

Ah ha! Deepest lightest countryside beyond Durham in. Being in the country side not "town sharp" means ( - translation wise ) - slower speech I also prefer people to speak slowly not I'm older, is it just me?

My favourite accent is deepest Yorkshire, dying out now, but still heard from older people - I'm sure its common to other dialects too?

Is to still use "thee and "thou".

A very local one I like is hearing older working men call each other "love". Is it so local?

Oreo Wed 16-Jul-25 12:29:49

Where was this Wyllow3 in darkest Peru?
😁

Wyllow3 Wed 16-Jul-25 10:38:54

Galaxy

What about Geordies Wyllow? Or are we tricky to understand toosmile

One of the great accents, love it, it's a fun challenge to "mirror", isnt it? ( my family live up there).

I've already practiced talking in shops local to them, and a long chat 11 yr old in a playground who was taking care of younger sibs for her Mam.

My guess - big Sis had taken roll of carer.

She was curious as my second DGD has many disabilities including hardly seeing anything and my was she quick to catch on. In her language, of course.

Naturally bright kids dont need an interpreter with an interested Gran who cared about them all and picked up their dialect.

Curious glances from Mam sitting 30 years away with her friend.

Lovely all round 🙂.