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Afghan mess up

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Grantanow Wed 16-Jul-25 12:11:06

A real blunders- not by a civil servant - but, according to the DT, a Royal Marine responsible for vetting Afghan applicants. And one it took the MOD 18 months to realise and only then by an email from a concerned individual. The disclosure seems to have been widely shared on social media and the Taliban claim to have seen it too. Lives were put at risk and it was right to invite such Afghans to the UK but the case for secrecy and superinjunction was surely weak given the Takiban had the data.

Maremia Thu 17-Jul-25 08:36:49

Robert Jenrick, wasn't he involved in some sort of money scandal with Richard Desmond, who had once owned a pornography magazine called Asian Babes?

J52 Thu 17-Jul-25 08:34:40

Dorisdodar

No Afghans top the list and it's not just for sex crimes either...

I think the list is in alphabetical order

lafergar Thu 17-Jul-25 08:34:15

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/16/when-that-data-falls-into-the-hands-of-the-taliban-it-will-lead-to-my-arrest-torture-and-death

Sorry it's from a leftie source.

Primrose53 Thu 17-Jul-25 08:17:51

pinkquartz

Afganistan the couutry where fathers sell off daughters to old men in order to buy food.
Their laws allow for children to be sold as young as 8 or 9 to go to really old men where they will be raped.

Cslling out racism is being naive. poor children.

There was footage last week of an old man marrying a 6 year old girl! It was horrific. There were other secretly filmed “marriages” involving very young girls. There was a 15 year old girl who had just had her third baby. 😥

GrannyGravy13 Thu 17-Jul-25 08:02:18

I think it’s naive not to recognise that some countries have totally different accepted cultural practices to us here in the U.K.

pinkquartz Thu 17-Jul-25 07:55:40

Afganistan the couutry where fathers sell off daughters to old men in order to buy food.
Their laws allow for children to be sold as young as 8 or 9 to go to really old men where they will be raped.

Cslling out racism is being naive. poor children.

lafergar Thu 17-Jul-25 07:47:04

I think we are in very very dangerous territory if we are saying a whole race of people has certain traits.

Have we learnt nothing? Apparently not.

Dorisdodar Thu 17-Jul-25 07:36:50

No Afghans top the list and it's not just for sex crimes either...

Grantanow Wed 16-Jul-25 23:58:45

The statistics show several other nationalities well ahead of Afghans: Jenrick doesn't give the story.

petra Wed 16-Jul-25 21:28:01

One of my daughters is a tester in IT. She’s one of those who tests the system that the developers have designed and built.
When you hear what goes on ( or doesn’t 😱) it’s a miracle that there aren’t more cockups like this ( there probably are)
The last big project she was working on for the home office she would tell the people in the HO to do something on line so she could see where the fault was and correct it.
More times than she could deal with in the end she was told oh, that person isn’t in today. That person is off sick. That person is on holiday
All the while the HO was telling her company that time was critical on this project 🤬

Primrose53 Wed 16-Jul-25 21:03:29

www.westyorkshire.police.uk/freedom-of-information/february-2025-foi-2355119-25-sexual-crimes-committed-non-uk-nationals

Dorisdodar Wed 16-Jul-25 20:55:23

Afghans are 20 times more likely to commit sexual offences than a British citizen..The statistics show according to Robert Jenrick. I believe a lot of the people on the list were refused permission to come to the UK but because of the data breach the government had to bring them to UK. I'd just like to mention the 400+ British soldiers who never came home.

Primrose53 Wed 16-Jul-25 20:46:54

Whitewavemark2

Primrose53

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

Disgusting post.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/

Fact.

seadragon Wed 16-Jul-25 19:53:05

My first reaction was relief that the UK was actually helping these people to escape from Afghanistan. Most of the reports I saw after Biden's fiasco implied that we had simply used them and abandoned them. Also having worked for the MOD for 10 years, I agree with those saying such a breach of such sensitive classified information should not have been possible under any circumstances.

lafergar Wed 16-Jul-25 18:54:31

MayBee70

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

Afghan people who worked for us and helped us died and are still at risk now because of a ‘mistake’. And all you can think about are people coming here that shouldn’t be. Words fail me….

Quite a day for the knee jerk racists.

MaizieD Wed 16-Jul-25 18:44:20

GrannyGravy13

petra

As those names were so sensitive there should have been a fail safe built into the program whereby if a link was sent to someone not on the list it couldn’t have been sent.
It should never have got to the stage where this mistake was able to happen.

That’s the first thing I thought.

Goodness. In his book, 'How Westminster works, and why it doesn't', Ian Dunt goes into detail about the complete shambles that was the British evacuation of Afghans. It was truly horrific.

I'm not in the least bit surprised that the breach happened, or that the then government tried to cover it up with a super injunction.

JaneJudge Wed 16-Jul-25 18:27:45

how do we know they will be sex offenders?? bloody hell
the leak put whole families in Afghanistan at risk. I'ts not even clear if this is resolved

MayBee70 Wed 16-Jul-25 18:25:01

"The previous government learned of the date breach when some of the details appeared on Facebook, and a secret resettlement scheme was set up in April 2024 to relocate those on the list.

Around 4,500 Afghans have arrived in the UK under the scheme so far.

The Tory government took out a high court superinjunction to prevent the leak becoming public knowledge. The story only emerged this week after judge Mr Justice Chamberlain decided it was time to end the superinjunction.

The news has been pounced upon by Reform, who have attacked the Tories for this happening on their watch.

But one person who hasn’t been particularly vocal is Lee Anderson. The likely reason for this? Well, he was deputy chairman of the Conservative Party while the whole thing unfolded."

GrannyGravy13 Wed 16-Jul-25 16:51:28

petra

As those names were so sensitive there should have been a fail safe built into the program whereby if a link was sent to someone not on the list it couldn’t have been sent.
It should never have got to the stage where this mistake was able to happen.

That’s the first thing I thought.

petra Wed 16-Jul-25 16:43:42

As those names were so sensitive there should have been a fail safe built into the program whereby if a link was sent to someone not on the list it couldn’t have been sent.
It should never have got to the stage where this mistake was able to happen.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 16-Jul-25 16:23:57

Primrose53

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

Disgusting post.

Maremia Wed 16-Jul-25 16:19:11

Yes Oreo, I agree with you about the young person who made the mistake. Hesgeth, who also made a serious security error, seems to have gotten off with that.
Glad that many have been saved. Menacing headline in The Telegraph today claiming that the Taliban are mocking that they have the list and are hunting them down.
Astonished that some GNs make the assumption that the British Army employs sex offenders.
If you are serious about keeping sex offenders from our shores, then there is another thread on GN just now, with a petition aimed at that.

Grantanow Wed 16-Jul-25 15:05:32

I wish Healey had not closed the scheme quite so abruptly. There may be deserving cases left behind. I hope it was not to save money.

MayBee70 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:50:48

Mt61

I think Biden left a mess behind withdrawing troops as fast, leaving weapons & artillery behind for taliban to claim.
I feel we should look after the interpreters & their family & so should the USA. Their mess.

Happy to be corrected on this but I think Biden was acting on something that had already been arranged by Trump. And also, from memory, the French got people out of Afghanistan quickly and efficiently. Unlike the UK and USA.

J52 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:50:33

Primrose53

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

Do you know them personally?