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Afghan mess up

(161 Posts)
Grantanow Wed 16-Jul-25 12:11:06

A real blunders- not by a civil servant - but, according to the DT, a Royal Marine responsible for vetting Afghan applicants. And one it took the MOD 18 months to realise and only then by an email from a concerned individual. The disclosure seems to have been widely shared on social media and the Taliban claim to have seen it too. Lives were put at risk and it was right to invite such Afghans to the UK but the case for secrecy and superinjunction was surely weak given the Takiban had the data.

Maremia Wed 16-Jul-25 12:49:45

I think the priority should be to get them out to safety. Not sure if that has been achieved.

Oreo Wed 16-Jul-25 13:02:06

It happened, it was done by accident and am sure the Marine in question will regret it to his dying day.
The important thing is that we started to get them out an I read that thousands have been brought here to safety.

eazybee Wed 16-Jul-25 13:06:24

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

Primrose53 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:25:58

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

MayBee70 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:30:23

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

Afghan people who worked for us and helped us died and are still at risk now because of a ‘mistake’. And all you can think about are people coming here that shouldn’t be. Words fail me….

LizzieDrip Wed 16-Jul-25 13:33:06

Afghan people who worked for us and helped us died and are still at risk now because of a ‘mistake’. And all you can think about are people coming here that shouldn’t be. Words fail me….

Hear, hear MayBee 👏👏👏

MayBee70 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:36:08

And all the news items refer to mistakes made by ‘the government’. The media are not pointing out that it was a mistake made by the Conservatives government…

AGAA4 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:38:59

The Afghans who have arrived are those that have served with the British army. Their names and addresses were leaked while the Tories were in power. 4,500 have arrived so far with up 7000 in total being here eventually.
As for many being sex offenders what a ridiculous thing to say.

Iam64 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:41:40

Where is your evidence that many of these men will be sex offenders? Shocking inflammatory post imo

Mt61 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:47:42

I think Biden left a mess behind withdrawing troops as fast, leaving weapons & artillery behind for taliban to claim.
I feel we should look after the interpreters & their family & so should the USA. Their mess.

J52 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:50:33

Primrose53

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

Do you know them personally?

MayBee70 Wed 16-Jul-25 13:50:48

Mt61

I think Biden left a mess behind withdrawing troops as fast, leaving weapons & artillery behind for taliban to claim.
I feel we should look after the interpreters & their family & so should the USA. Their mess.

Happy to be corrected on this but I think Biden was acting on something that had already been arranged by Trump. And also, from memory, the French got people out of Afghanistan quickly and efficiently. Unlike the UK and USA.

Grantanow Wed 16-Jul-25 15:05:32

I wish Healey had not closed the scheme quite so abruptly. There may be deserving cases left behind. I hope it was not to save money.

Maremia Wed 16-Jul-25 16:19:11

Yes Oreo, I agree with you about the young person who made the mistake. Hesgeth, who also made a serious security error, seems to have gotten off with that.
Glad that many have been saved. Menacing headline in The Telegraph today claiming that the Taliban are mocking that they have the list and are hunting them down.
Astonished that some GNs make the assumption that the British Army employs sex offenders.
If you are serious about keeping sex offenders from our shores, then there is another thread on GN just now, with a petition aimed at that.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 16-Jul-25 16:23:57

Primrose53

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

Disgusting post.

petra Wed 16-Jul-25 16:43:42

As those names were so sensitive there should have been a fail safe built into the program whereby if a link was sent to someone not on the list it couldn’t have been sent.
It should never have got to the stage where this mistake was able to happen.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 16-Jul-25 16:51:28

petra

As those names were so sensitive there should have been a fail safe built into the program whereby if a link was sent to someone not on the list it couldn’t have been sent.
It should never have got to the stage where this mistake was able to happen.

That’s the first thing I thought.

MayBee70 Wed 16-Jul-25 18:25:01

"The previous government learned of the date breach when some of the details appeared on Facebook, and a secret resettlement scheme was set up in April 2024 to relocate those on the list.

Around 4,500 Afghans have arrived in the UK under the scheme so far.

The Tory government took out a high court superinjunction to prevent the leak becoming public knowledge. The story only emerged this week after judge Mr Justice Chamberlain decided it was time to end the superinjunction.

The news has been pounced upon by Reform, who have attacked the Tories for this happening on their watch.

But one person who hasn’t been particularly vocal is Lee Anderson. The likely reason for this? Well, he was deputy chairman of the Conservative Party while the whole thing unfolded."

JaneJudge Wed 16-Jul-25 18:27:45

how do we know they will be sex offenders?? bloody hell
the leak put whole families in Afghanistan at risk. I'ts not even clear if this is resolved

MaizieD Wed 16-Jul-25 18:44:20

GrannyGravy13

petra

As those names were so sensitive there should have been a fail safe built into the program whereby if a link was sent to someone not on the list it couldn’t have been sent.
It should never have got to the stage where this mistake was able to happen.

That’s the first thing I thought.

Goodness. In his book, 'How Westminster works, and why it doesn't', Ian Dunt goes into detail about the complete shambles that was the British evacuation of Afghans. It was truly horrific.

I'm not in the least bit surprised that the breach happened, or that the then government tried to cover it up with a super injunction.

lafergar Wed 16-Jul-25 18:54:31

MayBee70

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

Afghan people who worked for us and helped us died and are still at risk now because of a ‘mistake’. And all you can think about are people coming here that shouldn’t be. Words fail me….

Quite a day for the knee jerk racists.

seadragon Wed 16-Jul-25 19:53:05

My first reaction was relief that the UK was actually helping these people to escape from Afghanistan. Most of the reports I saw after Biden's fiasco implied that we had simply used them and abandoned them. Also having worked for the MOD for 10 years, I agree with those saying such a breach of such sensitive classified information should not have been possible under any circumstances.

Primrose53 Wed 16-Jul-25 20:46:54

Whitewavemark2

Primrose53

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

Disgusting post.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/

Fact.

Dorisdodar Wed 16-Jul-25 20:55:23

Afghans are 20 times more likely to commit sexual offences than a British citizen..The statistics show according to Robert Jenrick. I believe a lot of the people on the list were refused permission to come to the UK but because of the data breach the government had to bring them to UK. I'd just like to mention the 400+ British soldiers who never came home.