So what do GNs think of Starmer’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state?

Oreo

That’s because you haven’t copied their letters Wyllow3 as you have with the one on the previous page.
A Muslim Asian MP who is a member of Labour Friends Of Palestine ( not a newly set up group btw) is always going to be totally one sided on this issue.There isn’t a single mention in the letter of what happened on October 7th 2023 nor a single message about the hostages.
It isn’t rocket science to see that this particular MP is biased.
There are other MP’s of course who are concerned about the Gaza situation as many people are.They just might have mentioned the atrocities by hamas and the need to release the last living Israeli hostages.

Are you claiming that all Muslims speak with one voice? Really? Shame on somebody who is always so keen to jump on bigotry when it's directed at your tribe).

Babs03

It is by no means the best way ronib.

When Israel obliteratess Gaza and all Palestinians in it, you can only shudder to think what they will do next in the West Bank ( the parts Israel haven't already illegally occupied and settled by driving out Palestinians).

Well it was her surname, silverlining that tripped me up, as Mohamed is a popular boys' name, in fact the most popular boys and mens name, meaning "praiseworthy" and is a variant spelling of the name Muhammad,

Oreo I just feel that if people keep talking about sides as you have, then we are seriously on the road to failing to make a solution work.

Its far, far more complex than that: as people have shades of opinion as to the whole range of associated issues.

Talking about "sides" just polarises our discussions and is the road least likely to peace on both the small and large scale imo

Oreo

ronib

There is no best way in this situation Babs03.

No there isn’t, and taking it over seems to be the obvious step as what else is there at the moment.

Obvious to whom? If Gaza is annexed, what happens to the 2 million population? Either they're destroyed, moved out to whoever will take them or Israel is going to have a permanent civil war on its hands.

ronib

I think the views expressed by Abtisam are never going to be shared by Jewish people. In any event, Netanyahu is going ahead with a plan of action for a Greater Israel, retrieval of hostages, removal of Hamas. Not sure what Starmer is going to say about this. The news channels are not reporting on this it seems.

It certainly seems as though Netanyahu's aim for a Greater Israel is remarkably similar to those of Herzl and present-day Zionists.

ronib

There is no best way in this situation Babs03.

No there isn’t, and taking it over seems to be the obvious step as what else is there at the moment.

I think the views expressed by Abtisam are never going to be shared by Jewish people. In any event, Netanyahu is going ahead with a plan of action for a Greater Israel, retrieval of hostages, removal of Hamas. Not sure what Starmer is going to say about this. The news channels are not reporting on this it seems.

Easy mistake Wyllow, it’s not a name most of us would have come across.

That’s because you haven’t copied their letters Wyllow3 as you have with the one on the previous page.
A Muslim Asian MP who is a member of Labour Friends Of Palestine ( not a newly set up group btw) is always going to be totally one sided on this issue.There isn’t a single mention in the letter of what happened on October 7th 2023 nor a single message about the hostages.
It isn’t rocket science to see that this particular MP is biased.
There are other MP’s of course who are concerned about the Gaza situation as many people are.They just might have mentioned the atrocities by hamas and the need to release the last living Israeli hostages.

For those who ask, who is Abtisam Mohamed go to

abtisammohamed.com

There is a short video. She was born and bred locally

She is a mum, a a community leader, a senior councillor and a lawyer.

"I’m the daughter of a Yemeni steelworker. Growing up here during the 1980s and 90s I experienced the pain and poverty caused by the Tories.

I left school with 4 GCSEs, but through hard work and access to education made possible by a Labour Government.

I qualified as a teacher and then as a lawyer, while working full-time in community development"

ronib

Abtisam is female. I find it odd that you have misgendered this mp Wyllow3.
It tends to indicate that we are working cross culturally.

I did assume male, Ronib, (definitely my bad big time doing that! )

But thats not the issue here, its that people reacted to her as they did as she is a Muslim, and my point was:

Would they have reacted the same if it had been Olivia Blake

Another example Sarah Champion, just down the road from both Blake and Abtisam, also holds the same views, and no one has reacted like that here to her (she's the lady who also was one of the first to shout out about grooming gangs)

There is no best way in this situation Babs03.

It is by no means the best way ronib.

MayBee70

I don't really understand it. If Gaza isn't a 'state' then what is it? It must be something. If so, what??

Its a tiny part of Palestine. MOST of Palestine is separated from the little strip called Gaza.

<https://www.worldatlas.com/maps/palestine>

Today we know, what was always the intention of Netanyahu and his extreme zionist - it is just beyond appalling and the whole world knows it, but acknowledges it too late.

Yes, they will be judged, hopefully sooner than later.

And the use the expression all the time 'from the river to the sea'.

Yes taking over Gaza is the best way to bring an end to this particular war. Doubtless there will be more. I hope that the twenty or so hostages are found alive. Hamas needs to find no resting place in Israel.

History will no doubt give its own resounding condemnation of this period, and few will escape blame.

Am not at all surprised about this or reports today that the Israeli government is now set to go for full occupation of Gaza in order to free the hostages and am not surprised that Trump has given the green light to these plans.
After all this has been the aim of Bibi and his cronies all along.

Oh I forgot the picture

This is a picture of what the Israeli government is beginning to talk more about which is the Zionist ambition for a Greater Israel.

It shows an Israel stretching from the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.

Some IDF soldiers are wearing these badges, so it seems that the Oslo agreement is well and truly abandoned.

I think in view of this, it is imperative that the world now pushes hard for the recognition of a Palestinian state, as it is clear that the Israeli government has expansionist ambitions, and will not stop at Gaza.

It has no intention of making peace of any sort, or at least only to the extent that it allows time for the people in Gaza to leave to a life of refugee and stateless.

apple.news/A4kiCvFZeTceL0WnrXWVLHQ

Abtisam is female. I find it odd that you have misgendered this mp Wyllow3.
It tends to indicate that we are working cross culturally.

If I'd said the letter was from Olivia Blake, what would you have said then, posters?

Smileless2012

Thank you Wyllow.

This is from a Muslim MP so?

Well, exactly, Smileless shock horror!!!!

yes he just happens to be a Muslim MP!!!

but in Sheffield Hallam which adjoins his constituency it's Olivia Blake, you cn check out her views online of you lie, she happens to totally agree with him.

I didn't expect to find such prejudice here, I must admit. Honestly.
They share the same POV: one is Muslim, one is not.

And naysaywers have not proof whatsoever that he doesnt care for all his constituents including Jewish ones

Correction I personally do not subscribe to this.