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BBC - Violent Channel smuggling gang's French and UK network

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Wyllow3 Tue 05-Aug-25 18:50:21

The BBC's own undercover investigation - has targeted, filmed, and named key international gang

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly48nmmzdro

A BBC investigation has exposed the French and UK operations of a powerful and violent smuggling gang taking people across the English Channel in small boats.
A reporter, posing as a migrant wanting to cross, helped us gain unprecedented access to the smugglers' notorious forest hideout in northern France - an area plagued by armed battles between rival gangs.
Secret filming at a major UK railway station also captured associates of the gang collecting cash payments to secure migrant places on illegal Channel crossings.
Two men met us on separate occasions on the busy concourse at Birmingham's New Street Station to collect envelopes containing hundreds of pounds.

Multiple sources have described how gang leaders, who keep one step ahead of the authorities by changing mobile phone numbers and the gang's name, subjected their henchmen and migrants to violent beatings.

Names, places,, victims - named for the authorities now following it up

petra Wed 06-Aug-25 17:00:07

escaped

So can anyone explain.....
Where are these boats being manufactured their hundreds? For every boat that gets across the channel, plus every boat that is punctured, there needs to be some jolly big outfit somewhere producing them.

The inflatables are made in China and come across the Turkish/Bulgaria border.
There has always been a lot of corruption there but a while ago a lorry full of the goods were intercepted.
A few border guards weren’t happy 😂

Wyllow3 Wed 06-Aug-25 17:00:29

icanhandthemback

*growstuff*, there have been a number of successful prosecutions after investigations of your so called "amateur sleuths". Far from getting in the way, they have documented evidence the police can use.

Exactly - the BBC would hardly announce it until action had been taken against all those identified and they were, as far as possible, in custody, would they?

escaped Wed 06-Aug-25 17:06:43

petra

escaped

So can anyone explain.....
Where are these boats being manufactured their hundreds? For every boat that gets across the channel, plus every boat that is punctured, there needs to be some jolly big outfit somewhere producing them.

The inflatables are made in China and come across the Turkish/Bulgaria border.
There has always been a lot of corruption there but a while ago a lorry full of the goods were intercepted.
A few border guards weren’t happy 😂

Right. And then how do they travel up the A25 to Dunkerque without being noticed? Hundreds of them?

growstuff Wed 06-Aug-25 17:08:34

escaped

I'm more than happy to leave it to the professionals, provided they can come up with some results.

I certainly don't have my finger on the pulse where everything is concerned, but here's another question.
If these boats are readily acquired, plus oars and electric pumps etc, (from where no one seems to know), then why can't registration checks and controls be made at the point of sale? At least then there would be some kind of record to trace, like with cars, vans etc. I can't even hire a car at Marseille airport without showing loads of documents and being thoroughly checked out.

Many of the inflatables are stored in Germany. There has been a recent agreement whereby the German police have committed to being more pro-active in searching for them.

I posted this link before, but here is a list of some of the NCA investigations, including prosecutions:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/component/tags/tag/people-smuggling

growstuff Wed 06-Aug-25 17:09:56

escaped

petra

escaped

So can anyone explain.....
Where are these boats being manufactured their hundreds? For every boat that gets across the channel, plus every boat that is punctured, there needs to be some jolly big outfit somewhere producing them.

The inflatables are made in China and come across the Turkish/Bulgaria border.
There has always been a lot of corruption there but a while ago a lorry full of the goods were intercepted.
A few border guards weren’t happy 😂

Right. And then how do they travel up the A25 to Dunkerque without being noticed? Hundreds of them?

In the back of a lorry, I would imagine. I don't know how much space a deflated dinghy takes up.

escaped Wed 06-Aug-25 17:13:12

growstuff

escaped

I'm more than happy to leave it to the professionals, provided they can come up with some results.

I certainly don't have my finger on the pulse where everything is concerned, but here's another question.
If these boats are readily acquired, plus oars and electric pumps etc, (from where no one seems to know), then why can't registration checks and controls be made at the point of sale? At least then there would be some kind of record to trace, like with cars, vans etc. I can't even hire a car at Marseille airport without showing loads of documents and being thoroughly checked out.

Many of the inflatables are stored in Germany. There has been a recent agreement whereby the German police have committed to being more pro-active in searching for them.

I posted this link before, but here is a list of some of the NCA investigations, including prosecutions:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/component/tags/tag/people-smuggling

👍

growstuff Wed 06-Aug-25 17:42:41

petra

escaped

So can anyone explain.....
Where are these boats being manufactured their hundreds? For every boat that gets across the channel, plus every boat that is punctured, there needs to be some jolly big outfit somewhere producing them.

The inflatables are made in China and come across the Turkish/Bulgaria border.
There has always been a lot of corruption there but a while ago a lorry full of the goods were intercepted.
A few border guards weren’t happy 😂

Was this the interception:

NCA works with Bulgarian partners to make major seizure of small boats

National Crime Agency officers have worked with Bulgarian law enforcement partners to seize a consignment of 25 boats that was due to be transported across Europe for use by people smugglers in the English Channel.

The inflatables were found in a lorry which had just crossed the Bulgarian border at the Kapitan Andreevo checkpoint on 26 July.

The seizure was made as part of an NCA operation, supported by Home Office International Operations (HOIO), targeting supplies of small boat equipment moving into Europe, which generated intelligence leading Bulgarian customs officers to intercept the lorry and discover the consignment.

Stack of packaged inflatable boats inside the back of a lorry

The boats, when inflated, are around eight metres long, and each would typically have been used to carry 50 to 60 people.

NCA Regional Head of Investigation Jacque Beer said:

“This was a significant seizure, with these vessels destined for use by the organised crime groups running small boat crossings from France to the UK.

“They are of the type typically used in highly dangerous and frequently deadly journeys across the English Channel, and are completely ill-suited for use at sea.

“Taking them out before they could reach the shores of northern France means we have not only prevented crossings from happening and lives being put at risk, but also put a dent in the profits of the people smugglers.

“The NCA continues to work with a number of international partners to disrupt the supply of these vessels, and other maritime equipment such as engines. Overall, this work has led to the interception of more than 650 boats and engines since early 2023.

“We assess that this activity is having an impact on boat and engine supply, making it more difficult and costlier for OCGs to source equipment.”

The seizure is thought to be the biggest single detection of small boats in 2025, and comes as the NCA, alongside HOIO, continues to work closely with law enforcement partners across Europe to share intelligence and mount joint operations targeting the criminal supply chain.

Kapitan Andreevo is one of the busiest land borders in Europe and is a key point targeted by human traffickers and criminal smuggling gangs.

Border Security Commander, Martin Hewitt said:

“International collaboration is a key part of our work to break down the business model of criminal gangs operating across borders, putting lives at risk.

“This seizure marks a significant step forward in our joint work alongside the NCA to disrupt the supply chain fuelling these dangerous small boat crossings.

“Our dedicated teams on the ground are working around the clock with international partners to take down the criminal gangs who put our border security at risk.”

31 July 2025

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 06-Aug-25 17:59:02

Well something’s not working.
Channel crossings in rubber boats up 50% on this time last year.
🤷‍♀️

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 06-Aug-25 18:03:53

150 arrived today - the first day of the new deal between Starmer & Macron.

It’s not going to work.

We need a deterrent that is more robust.

growstuff Wed 06-Aug-25 18:11:44

FriedGreenTomatoes2

150 arrived today - the first day of the new deal between Starmer & Macron.

It’s not going to work.

We need a deterrent that is more robust.

It's the first day! How do you know it won't work?

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 06-Aug-25 18:46:36

Because I’m a realist?

Okay. Let’s be even handed here growstuff.
Shall we both review the numbers in say, 3 months?

😂😂😂

In the meantits costing (conservative estimate) £6million a day.

We must need our bumps feeling.

StripeyGran Wed 06-Aug-25 18:49:03

the numbers

The numbers of people that is, humans. Just a thought.

escaped Wed 06-Aug-25 18:52:03

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Because I’m a realist?

Okay. Let’s be even handed here growstuff.
Shall we both review the numbers in say, 3 months?

😂😂😂

In the meantits costing (conservative estimate) £6million a day.

We must need our bumps feeling.

If the new scheme ever works, it certainly won't be thanks to France. They're paying nothing towards it again, not even a cent.

growstuff Wed 06-Aug-25 18:54:29

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Because I’m a realist?

Okay. Let’s be even handed here growstuff.
Shall we both review the numbers in say, 3 months?

😂😂😂

In the meantits costing (conservative estimate) £6million a day.

We must need our bumps feeling.

What do you suggest?

The government is trying to break up the gang networks. It's investing more money in staff and co-operating more proactively with other countries.

What else should it do?

growstuff Wed 06-Aug-25 18:55:56

escaped

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Because I’m a realist?

Okay. Let’s be even handed here growstuff.
Shall we both review the numbers in say, 3 months?

😂😂😂

In the meantits costing (conservative estimate) £6million a day.

We must need our bumps feeling.

If the new scheme ever works, it certainly won't be thanks to France. They're paying nothing towards it again, not even a cent.

To be honest, why should they? It's not their problem if people want to leave their country.

escaped Wed 06-Aug-25 19:01:55

I don't blame them at all, but they cannot out all the "aren't we being helpful" narrative.

escaped Wed 06-Aug-25 19:02:22

Sorry - they can cut out

Casdon Wed 06-Aug-25 19:08:51

Surely they are being helpful. We re sending them people who are failed asylum seekers, who cannot be directly deported back to their own countries by the UK. They are sending us people who are likely to be accepted as asylum seekers anyway because they have family here.

escaped Wed 06-Aug-25 19:15:22

Maybe they'll send the failed asylum seekers back to their neighbours Italy or Spain?

petra Wed 06-Aug-25 19:29:38

growstuff
Yes, that’s the one. Everyone in Bulgaria and surrounding countries know who runs Bulgaria. It’s not the elected members of parliament 😉
This is what our services are dealing with.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 06-Aug-25 19:49:42

Rwanda anyone? Bibby Stockholm (try again).
A convincing deterrent of SOME sort anyway. Please. Someone. Anyone.

Tell you what, ‘smash the gangs’ Yvette Cooper won’t get re-elected. I’d put good money on that outcome….

petra Wed 06-Aug-25 20:09:01

growstuff

escaped

petra

escaped

So can anyone explain.....
Where are these boats being manufactured their hundreds? For every boat that gets across the channel, plus every boat that is punctured, there needs to be some jolly big outfit somewhere producing them.

The inflatables are made in China and come across the Turkish/Bulgaria border.
There has always been a lot of corruption there but a while ago a lorry full of the goods were intercepted.
A few border guards weren’t happy 😂

Right. And then how do they travel up the A25 to Dunkerque without being noticed? Hundreds of them?

In the back of a lorry, I would imagine. I don't know how much space a deflated dinghy takes up.

Here’s the back of a lorry.
They will have been shrink wrapped.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 06-Aug-25 20:18:44

What a shambolic ‘treaty’ Starmer has struck with Macron. In the Daily Mail just now:

“Labour’s migrant returns deal with France has descended into farce as a minister appeared to contradict the terms of a new treaty.

Cabinet minister Lisa Nandy said small boat migrants sent back under the deal would see their human rights claims heard after being sent back to France.

However, it later emerged that some types of human rights cases would, in fact, block the Home Office from being able to remove migrants in the first place.”

Oreo Wed 06-Aug-25 20:33:02

StripeyGran

Oh dear Primrose, what did you say?

Amateur sleuths cause a huge number of problems. And full on racists like Yaxley Lennon and his mob threaten trials.

Leave it to professionals, instead of using human misery and chaos to raise your profile.

She probably spoke some sense.hmm

Are you calling the BBC investigative team amateur sleuths just trying to raise their profile?

Oreo Wed 06-Aug-25 20:35:05

The worry with this deal is that in practice we get the migrants from France but fail dismally to get any migrants sent back there due to red tape and constant appeals.