BBC - Violent Channel smuggling gang's French and UK network

NotSpaghetti

There is, sadly, no point correcting the first safe country fiction.

Those who want to will go on propagating this falsehood growstuff.

Indeed, howmany more times do we have to hear this rubbish? It's only been perpetrated and then proved wrong for several years.

ASYLUM SEEKERS/REFUGEES OR THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE SO DO NOT HAVE TO STOP IN THE FIRST SAFE COUNTRY THEY REACH

thank you posters who've pointed this out and I really hope we dont have to repeat it all again.

(shall I save the statement in capital letters for the next time someone comes out with it 😉)

I think we all know that they don’t have to, the question is why are so very many choosy about which European country they stay in if the are indeed, to use that beloved phrase always trotted out ‘fleeing wars or persecution’.
The answer, as we all know again, is that most aren’t.We also know that some favour the UK as they can speak some English and others have family here, but that doesn’t cover the sheer numbers that arrive on our shores year in year out.
No, it’s the pull of no ID cards and better overall benefits.

growstuff

woodenspoon

I think the French are only too pleased to see them sail on their merry way. They do very little to stop them. Nobody else wants them except the UK where most end up in hotels.

Most do not end up in hotels. (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted, so meaningful discussions can't take place).

Growstuff - "most do not end up in hotels (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted)"

You seem to know the 'facts' - where do they end up then??

growstuff

escaped

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Because I’m a realist?

Okay. Let’s be even handed here growstuff.
Shall we both review the numbers in say, 3 months?

😂😂😂

In the meantits costing (conservative estimate) £6million a day.

We must need our bumps feeling.

If the new scheme ever works, it certainly won't be thanks to France. They're paying nothing towards it again, not even a cent.

To be honest, why should they? It's not their problem if people want to leave their country.

Growstuff - "why should they"

Because we pay France £500,000,000 to do so!!

sundowngirl My understanding is that the UK has only just started paying France £500 million for the pilot "one-in-one-out" scheme, which doesn't include slashing boats.

If you have any evidence that the UK pays France money for anything else, please could you post it. Thanks!

sundowngirl

growstuff

woodenspoon

I think the French are only too pleased to see them sail on their merry way. They do very little to stop them. Nobody else wants them except the UK where most end up in hotels.

Most do not end up in hotels. (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted, so meaningful discussions can't take place).

Growstuff - "most do not end up in hotels (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted)"

You seem to know the 'facts' - where do they end up then??

In hostels, private accommodation and asylum accommodation centres, such as the one at Wethersfield. About a third of asylum seekers spend some time in hotels, which is not "most".

I guess it depends on regions. Here in Devon most asylum seekers end up in hotels as we have a plethora of them. There's certainly several been taken over in Torbay, Ilfracombe, Tiverton, Exeter.
Devon County Council is actively looking to lease properties from private landlords to house refugee families, without much success, because many spare properties are holiday homes or Airbnbs.

I fail to see how swapping one immigrant for a different immigrant helps. It's still one more immigrant. 🤷‍♀️

Plus France has a veto on who we can send back.

I'm confused. Wasn't the £500 million paid to the French to be used for more law enforcement officers along the French coast and at the ferry ports? (Pretty unsuccessful though that has been. Yes, laughable - to a previous poster who didn't like the word!)
I thought it started in 2023?

escaped

I guess it depends on regions. Here in Devon most asylum seekers end up in hotels as we have a plethora of them. There's certainly several been taken over in Torbay, Ilfracombe, Tiverton, Exeter.
Devon County Council is actively looking to lease properties from private landlords to house refugee families, without much success, because many spare properties are holiday homes or Airbnbs.

Could you name the hotels that have been taken over please. I'm a Devonian and I go back for visits sometimes and have to stay in a hotel when I do so. There is one I usually use in Exeter when I go back - and I was watching for signs it would get "lost" to this when I last went back and I did see some stuff that had me wondering whether it might be.....

I guess our 5 star hotels will be safe from this - but the prices charged for them are extremely high/beyond my price range by far - eg £500 a night for "bed and breakfast" and btw you don't even get given breakfast included in that as far as I can make out !!!!

I am concerned I might not even be able to visit my own city because of this....

escaped

I'm confused. Wasn't the £500 million paid to the French to be used for more law enforcement officers along the French coast and at the ferry ports? (Pretty unsuccessful though that has been. Yes, laughable - to a previous poster who didn't like the word!)
I thought it started in 2023?

I don't know, which is why I asked for some evidence.

I know that France has been paid for the most recent scheme - presumably to compensate for taking back asylum seekers who have no hope of being granted asylum in the UK (so they're going to be France's problem) and to allow a limited amount of processing/checking on French soil.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I fail to see how swapping one immigrant for a different immigrant helps. It's still one more immigrant. 🤷‍♀️

Plus France has a veto on who we can send back.

It helps the UK quite a bit. Firstly, the UK ends up with asylum seekers who have been vetted and have a very good chance of being accepted, so they can start to earn their own money and be useful members of society. Secondly, the UK has a fast track to deport those whose claims have no chance of being accepted, so they don't loiter around waiting for the rejection.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I fail to see how swapping one immigrant for a different immigrant helps. It's still one more immigrant. 🤷‍♀️

Plus France has a veto on who we can send back.

France only has the right of veto in very limited circumstances. Apparently, if an asylum seeker has an outstanding international human rights claim, he/she can appeal. However, the government has said this isn't true because the human rights cases can be heard in France.

Wot being gay or trans you mean?

My sister just texted me

“Starmer out & Farage in. That’d be my ‘one for one’ 😊”

She’s resident in Spain so just an observation!

growstuff

sundowngirl My understanding is that the UK has only just started paying France £500 million for the pilot "one-in-one-out" scheme, which doesn't include slashing boats.

If you have any evidence that the UK pays France money for anything else, please could you post it. Thanks!

The UK has not 'only just' starting paying France to stop the boats. We have been paying them for years - this from Google AI

Since 2015, the UK government has given France over £232 million to help stop illegal immigration. This includes funding for security infrastructure, increased police presence, and improved surveillance technologies.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

2015: £10 million over two years.
2016: £17 million.
2018: £45.5 million (Sandhurst Treaty).
2019: £3.25 million (Joint Action Plan).
2020: £28.1 million (Joint Statement).
2021: £54 million (Joint Statement).
2022: £62.2 million (Joint Statement).

Additional payments: Just under £87 million has also been paid to France for border control purposes during the same period.
Future commitment: The UK has also committed to providing a further £476 million of funding to France between 2023 and 2026.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I fail to see how swapping one immigrant for a different immigrant helps. It's still one more immigrant. 🤷‍♀️

Plus France has a veto on who we can send back.

The first migrants have been detained today. This explains.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35v0zyzvlo
It is a deterrent to others because the migrants who are returned will lose the fare they have paid to cross the channel, and most of them have no other resources. It’s a particular risk for migrants who have already been refused asylum in other European countries I would think. The ones with family here would most likely be granted asylum here as well, so we will get one, instead of that person as well as the other.

The Exeter Hotel is by the airport CariadAgain, so not really in Exeter proper. I think there are 500 migrants there.

I can recommend some nice hotels around 10 miles from Exeter if you fancy a change! 🌞

Hampton by Hilton is the name CariadAgain in case you're concerned.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

My sister just texted me

“Starmer out & Farage in. That’d be my ‘one for one’ 😊”

She’s resident in Spain so just an observation!

Is she an immigrant?

sundowngirl

growstuff

sundowngirl My understanding is that the UK has only just started paying France £500 million for the pilot "one-in-one-out" scheme, which doesn't include slashing boats.

If you have any evidence that the UK pays France money for anything else, please could you post it. Thanks!

The UK has not 'only just' starting paying France to stop the boats. We have been paying them for years - this from Google AI

Since 2015, the UK government has given France over £232 million to help stop illegal immigration. This includes funding for security infrastructure, increased police presence, and improved surveillance technologies.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

2015: £10 million over two years.
2016: £17 million.
2018: £45.5 million (Sandhurst Treaty).
2019: £3.25 million (Joint Action Plan).
2020: £28.1 million (Joint Statement).
2021: £54 million (Joint Statement).
2022: £62.2 million (Joint Statement).

Additional payments: Just under £87 million has also been paid to France for border control purposes during the same period.
Future commitment: The UK has also committed to providing a further £476 million of funding to France between 2023 and 2026.

So where did the figure of £500 million come from?

Thanks re hotel name.

Oreo

I think we all know that they don’t have to, the question is why are so very many choosy about which European country they stay in if the are indeed, to use that beloved phrase always trotted out ‘fleeing wars or persecution’.
The answer, as we all know again, is that most aren’t.We also know that some favour the UK as they can speak some English and others have family here, but that doesn’t cover the sheer numbers that arrive on our shores year in year out.
No, it’s the pull of no ID cards and better overall benefits.

Spot on Oreo and we don’t need people SHOUTING at us and telling us what we already know.

They think the UK is the land of milk and honey. We are a soft touch and they know it hence why they hang out of hotel windows filming protestors and laughing their heads off. Imagine their friends back wherever they come from watching their videos and sharing them with even more young men who think they’ll have a piece of the action.

No ID cards as you say, great benefit system, start a new life if you have a dodgy past, get all your needs met even yoga classes and day trips so you don’t get bored doing nothing.

No wonder some people call them Gimmegrants.

Just to even things up …

www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-is-the-problem