Palestine Action Protest

Hypocrisy is very much in the mind of the beholder.

Very true!

Claremont

Holding a flag is not causing any damage, is it?

As Willow says, protesting, with some damage, and in the case of suffragettes, even death, has a very long tratiion in the UK 'There are many historical examples of this happening in the UK. Some actions at Greenham Common , or at Faslane, were/are illegal and I support them'

so do I.

I do not support massive climate and environmental damage to our earth and its people, my grandchildren, yours and all the grandchildren of the world who will inherit this disaster. Nor do I support Israel's genocide and illegal take over of the land of Palestine, after flattening it and killing around 60.000 so far.

By comparison, the damage done by Palestine Action Group is minuscule- and as the Government is not listening and continuing to support Netanyahu- then I can understand why some feel big and bold and very visible actions are necessary. Even though I do not condone them.

We constantly talk about the need to keep up very British traditions - not shut them down.

Holding a flag is not causing any damage, is it?

That's not Palestine Action's modus operandi is though.
They are not marching, peacefully protesting, they are guilty of criminal damage.

They did not paint planes, they sprayed paint on to RAF planes, including into the engine of one. This is the RAF which delivered aid into Gaza in a combined operation.
This proves that Palestine Action are not just dangerous but very stupid too.
Yvette Cooper was right to proscribe them.

There are other groups which are not so militant and are not proscribed if anyone wishes to wave a flag and join a peaceful protest.

It’s not rocket science fancythat

For the normal pro Palestine marches, as long as they are peaceful and don’t contravene any of our laws then that’s fine.

Didn’t you read the link provided on here from the police?

It wouldn’t be ok if they were chanting support or holding placards supporting Palestine Action.That’s just a fact.

Quite.

So, if the protestors today were all to be peaceful, every last one of them, that would be ok to you, would it not?

fancythat

Lathyrus3

Galaxy

Yes but you can't only do it for your own causes, so if you support protest, it has to be across the board, whether it is outside an abortion clinic, a protest led by Tommy Robinson, etc etc.

Yes that’s the rub isn’t it?

This is what I mean.

And it works in reverse too.

If peaceful, I think they should all be allowed.

Suffragettes weren't all peaceful, were they?

No they weren’t and the ones who caused damage were sent to prison.Quite rightly.
We have a right in our country to peaceful protest but not anything else.

Allira

fancythat

Thank you for that.

Must be just me.
I think peaceful protests whould be allowed in the Uk about anything. I think.

Peaceful protests are one thing.

This group has caused criminal damage.

All of them protesting?

Lathyrus3

Galaxy

Yes but you can't only do it for your own causes, so if you support protest, it has to be across the board, whether it is outside an abortion clinic, a protest led by Tommy Robinson, etc etc.

Yes that’s the rub isn’t it?

This is what I mean.

And it works in reverse too.

If peaceful, I think they should all be allowed.

Suffragettes weren't all peaceful, were they?

“Paint is easily washed off “ !

fancythat

Thank you for that.

Must be just me.
I think peaceful protests whould be allowed in the Uk about anything. I think.

Peaceful protests are one thing.

This group has caused criminal damage.

Easily washed off 😂 yeah just get a sponge and a bucket of water and the old Fairy Liquid and the old master painting will be good as new.

“Spraying paintings on display in art galleries -However it’s easily washed off”

I think I’ll put that down to ignorance.

They weren’t painted in Dulux Gloss you know.

What a put down for art restorers the world over🤣🤣🤣

Quote GrannyGravy13 Sat 09-Aug-25 11:16:21
If this wasn’t so serious this thread would be hilarious.

It is beginning to remind me of Violet Elizabeth stamping her feet I want, I want

GrannyGravy I thought the very same, “I will scream and scream and scream until I am sick “ it came to mind when
reading the thread

If this wasn’t so serious this thread would be hilarious.

It is beginning to remind me of Violet Elizabeth stamping her feet I want, I want

Wyllow3

Anniebach

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries
I dont think this is very effective, generally.

If however, it is easily washable off and there is a particular reason as in the meaning of that painting/artifact to be targeted then no, I wont condemn it.
(this has been the case in all the paintings/artifacts iirc, or at least most).
Then OK in certain situations

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

A definite NO
If that is the case, and a lane has not been left open by the protestors for ambulances. I have talked to a protester about one occasion where the press reported that no ambulances could get through but in fact they had allowed for one lane through-drive

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc
^If the spray paint is really washable, and the target a really meaning full one, then I don't have a problem. Case by case decision.

I cannot believe that you support any sort of vandalism whether the paint washes off or not!!!

What sort of country do we live in where some people think this is acceptable and it never results in anything for their cause anyway.

Hilarious. In other words the right to protest only the things I agree with. No thanks. There are a number of groups committed to freedom of speech and protest but they don't just support the causes you what you want them to.
Chickens coming home to roost.

Anniebach

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries
I dont think this is very effective, generally.

If however, it is easily washable off and there is a particular reason as in the meaning of that painting/artifact to be targeted then no, I wont condemn it.
(this has been the case in all the paintings/artifacts iirc, or at least most).
Then OK in certain situations

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

A definite NO
If that is the case, and a lane has not been left open by the protestors for ambulances. I have talked to a protester about one occasion where the press reported that no ambulances could get through but in fact they had allowed for one lane through-drive

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc
^If the spray paint is really washable, and the target a really meaning full one, then I don't have a problem. Case by case decision.

Truly have not got the time nor the energy- but Tommy Robinson's protests have been very violent against other people and police, and advocating hatred and civil unrest against our own citizens.

And Tommy Robinson's protests are dealt with regularly by the Law.

Personally I’m with France on the banning of the marches, they have cost untold millions to police and have caused so much bad feeling which is no doubt why France chose to ban them. But that’s another story.
The UK is more liberal than France but that doesn’t make us stupid enough to allow the likes of Palestine Action.

This country does have a strong tradition of protecting individuals rights, you’re correct there.
Proscribed groups seek to undermine or damage national security and it isn’t done lightly.As I said above you can still get out there and join a pro Palestinian march unlike France who banned them from the get go.

Claremont

Truly have not got the time nor the energy- but Tommy Robinson's protests have been very violent against other people and police, and advocating hatred and civil unrest against our own citizens. And this country also has a strong tradition of protecting individual's rights, including womens' rights. Totally different to protesting against a genocide killing so far bout 60.000, starving people, including children, and killing them when trying to get to food, and now taking over the whole land, illegally stolen from a people and exclude them forever from their land.

If you can't see the difference, then what can I say. Hypocrisy is very much in the mind of the beholder.

Where are the protesters in support of the Afghan women, who are not allowed to be seen or heard in public, no schooling, systematic beatings?

Where are the protests in support of the young girls in Rotherham?

Where are the protestors in support of women’s rights to safe places?

I do not see these in the streets week after week…

Truly have not got the time nor the energy- but Tommy Robinson's protests have been very violent against other people and police, and advocating hatred and civil unrest against our own citizens. And this country also has a strong tradition of protecting individual's rights, including womens' rights. Totally different to protesting against a genocide killing so far bout 60.000, starving people, including children, and killing them when trying to get to food, and now taking over the whole land, illegally stolen from a people and exclude them forever from their land.

If you can't see the difference, then what can I say. Hypocrisy is very much in the mind of the beholder.

GrannyGravy13

Galaxy

Yes but you can't only do it for your own causes, so if you support protest, it has to be across the board, whether it is outside an abortion clinic, a protest led by Tommy Robinson, etc etc.

Oh yes.

Am I the only one seeing the hypocrisy on this thread?

No you’re not , they only see freedom to protest for things dear to their own hearts.