‘Palestine Action’ marchers - arrests today.

Anniebach

Quote Oreo Thu 14-Aug-25 18:29:09
theworriedwell
Oreo
The truth is that PA have a history of violence and they have attacked and hurt police and security staff.
I well remember how many police officers were attacked by miners in the 80s. No one seemed to feel the need to make the NUM a proscribed organisation.
A completely different scenario and different times.We have had so much extremism in the UK that any group who’s intent is to target businesses and military installations in a violent way to achieve its ends needs severe punishment.
The miners were fighting for their jobs and at times the police used brutal methods with them.I honestly don’t think that would happen today.

What nonsense comparing the miners strike, I suggest asking anyone who was really involved , quite simply-

Rock Bottom And Still Drilling

I was working in police admin, working with officers who were attacked and spat at for doing their job.

Miners strike nothing to do with this issue with Palestine Action.

Absolutely nothing at all.

Allira

^Miners strike nothing to do with this issue with Palestine Action.^

Absolutely nothing at all.

Well why mention PA were violent and attacked the police? The miners did that as well as attacking other miners. If being violent and attacking the police is irrelevant why was it mentioned? Any reason why you didn't object to that post,?

Quote theworriedwell Thu 14-Aug-25 22:14:12
Anniebach
Quote Oreo Thu 14-Aug-25 18:29:09
theworriedwell
Oreo
The truth is that PA have a history of violence and they have attacked and hurt police and security staff.
I well remember how many police officers were attacked by miners in the 80s. No one seemed to feel the need to make the NUM a proscribed organisation.
A completely different scenario and different times.We have had so much extremism in the UK that any group who’s intent is to target businesses and military installations in a violent way to achieve its ends needs severe punishment.
The miners were fighting for their jobs and at times the police used brutal methods with them.I honestly don’t think that would happen today.

What nonsense comparing the miners strike, I suggest asking anyone who was really involved , quite simply-

Rock Bottom And Still Drilling

I was working in police admin, working with officers who were attacked and spat at for doing their job.

So which are you comparing the miners with ?
Those arrested or the PA ? Which spat at the police ?

Anniebach

Quote theworriedwell Thu 14-Aug-25 22:14:12
Anniebach
Quote Oreo Thu 14-Aug-25 18:29:09
theworriedwell
Oreo
The truth is that PA have a history of violence and they have attacked and hurt police and security staff.
I well remember how many police officers were attacked by miners in the 80s. No one seemed to feel the need to make the NUM a proscribed organisation.
A completely different scenario and different times.We have had so much extremism in the UK that any group who’s intent is to target businesses and military installations in a violent way to achieve its ends needs severe punishment.
The miners were fighting for their jobs and at times the police used brutal methods with them.I honestly don’t think that would happen today.

What nonsense comparing the miners strike, I suggest asking anyone who was really involved , quite simply-

Rock Bottom And Still Drilling

I was working in police admin, working with officers who were attacked and spat at for doing their job.

So which are you comparing the miners with ?
Those arrested or the PA ? Which spat at the police ?

Striking miners spat at the police not forgetting the poor taxi driver who was killed for just doing his job.

tgeworriedwell

I was working in police admin, working with officers who were attacked and spat at for doing their job.

So which are you comparing the miners with ?

Those arrested or the PA ? Which spat at the police ?
Striking miners spat at the police not forgetting the poor taxi driver who was killed for just doing his job.

Yes, who are comparing the miners with ? PA or the demonstrators ?

I'm comparing them with the allegations that PA were violent and attacked the police. As I also said they murdered the taxi driver, I know they got away with manslaughter but an innocent man was killed, you can't get much more violent than that.

theworriedwell

Allira

Miners strike nothing to do with this issue with Palestine Action.

Absolutely nothing at all.

Well why mention PA were violent and attacked the police? The miners did that as well as attacking other miners. If being violent and attacking the police is irrelevant why was it mentioned? Any reason why you didn't object to that post,?

Well why mention PA were violent and attacked the police?

I didn't. It was you who did.

It wasn't. Oreo brought it up and I replied. Maybe go back and have a look.

Quote theworriedwell Thu 14-Aug-25 22:44:28
I'm comparing them with the allegations that PA were violent and attacked the police. As I also said they murdered the taxi driver, I know they got away with manslaughter but an innocent man was killed, you can't get much more violent than that.

So confusing

Oreo

The truth is that PA have a history of violence and they have attacked and hurt police and security staff.

Thought I'd posi it for you. Maybe ask Oreo why she thought it was relevant because if it's relevant for one group why wouldn't it be relevant for another and bear in mind it was the miners who killed an innocent man so don't try and pretend they weren't violent.

Anniebach

Quote theworriedwell Thu 14-Aug-25 22:44:28
I'm comparing them with the allegations that PA were violent and attacked the police. As I also said they murdered the taxi driver, I know they got away with manslaughter but an innocent man was killed, you can't get much more violent than that.

So confusing

What's confusing. One group is being proscribed and we are told they are violent and attack the police. Another group were violent, including killing someone, but that's just irrelevant. The law should apply to all equally.

[sigh]
That is not the reason but you must know that of course.

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Got it, PA being compared with the miners on strike 1972 , gosh over 50 years ago,.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Over 50,000 people killed in Gaza - and the entire population terrorised, including journalists who know there is a target on their backs. Yet some people are outraged about paint thrown at a plane. And people holding placards are arrested as if it were they that were the terrorists.

Anniebach

Got it, PA being compared with the miners on strike 1972 , gosh over 50 years ago,.

Try 1984. I thought you knew all about it? The 1972 strike only lasted a few weeks and was pale in comparison to 1984/5.

Eloethan

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Over 50,000 people killed in Gaza - and the entire population terrorised, including journalists who know there is a target on their backs. Yet some people are outraged about paint thrown at a plane. And people holding placards are arrested as if it were they that were the terrorists.

Some will do anything to attack Palestinians and anyone offering support. War crimes being committed day after day, children killed children starving.

I know this thread has to get back on track but a last response from me on the miners strike. There’s to be a public inquiry into the battle of Orgrave.
My father’s generation of officers had grown up in mining communities. They did their jobs as instructed but understood the wider implications. They weren’t waving pay slips at people relying on charity to feed their families. We were actively involved .

So would the miners strike protests become a proscribed group today?

Precisely why I started a thread about it a few days ago.

fancythat

So would the miners strike protests become a proscribed group today?

Precisely why I started a thread about it a few days ago.

No they wouldn’t.
The miners were on strike for their jobs and we won’t go further down the rabbit hole here about the reasons and how they were let down by their own leaders of the Union or anything else.They came into conflict with the police tasked to keep them in order.
Palestine Action is an extremist group who plot and plan actions teaching members how to break into any premises or business that they deem a target using sledgehammers and other implements and woe betide anyone who tries to stop them.Pouring paint into the engines of military aircraft costs millions to rectify.Who knows what they plan next?

Quote fancythat Fri 15-Aug-25 08:33:31
So would the miners strike protests become a proscribed group today?

Precisely why I started a thread about it a few days ago.

I made error typing a date and you made an error- you didn’t
start this thread FGT did

Your use of the Miners Strike was so wrong for several reasons

I said a thread Ab. Not this thread.

Quote fancythat Fri 15-Aug-25 11:28:24
I said a thread Ab. Not this thread.

I apologise, I couldn’t recall a thread on the miners strike

No problem.
It was a thread on proscribed groups.

Eloethan

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Over 50,000 people killed in Gaza - and the entire population terrorised, including journalists who know there is a target on their backs. Yet some people are outraged about paint thrown at a plane. And people holding placards are arrested as if it were they that were the terrorists.

Yet some people are outraged about paint thrown at a plane

Outraged? No-one said they were outraged.
I don't think you understand the implications of what PA activists (not the ^elderly protesters^) have done.

Damaging our military infrastructure, not just the planes, parts for our submarines etc, is sabotage and a crime against our defence systems and the state.

As far as the RAF and Gaza are concerned, RAF planes have been used for good, not evil. Evacuating people and dropping vital aid.

There are other protest groups to join if people wish to do so and at least one person on hers has done that. Well done to her.