"Villagers verbally abuse Scouts they mistook for migrants" (Daily Telegraph)

The quote "Villagers verbally abuse Scouts they mistook for migrants" was a direct quote from the Telegraph, which then went on to describe the group as scouts. Just goes to show how a supposedly reliable newspaper can get thigs wrong.

I don't subscribe to the Telegraph, so I can't read the rest of the article, but it's well-known that many people only ever read headlines, bylines and the first few sentences of any article.

Lathyrus3

Allira

I dislike the tarring of all the residents of Newbridge with the same brush, labelling a whole community racist bigots and indeed, Wales as a whole on the other thread.

There are bigoted people everywhere but whole communities do not get labelled as they have in these threads.

Well that’s all part of the image and rhetoric isn’t it.

Welsh “village” full of backward people of “little brain” who believe anything their “leaders” tell them, according to the OP.

Who constitute a howling mob pursuing “foreigners” down the village street, no doubt intent upon hurling them into the duck pond🙄

Not quite sure where the far right motif comes in. I expect that’s for those whose internal image of *village” tends towards the wealthy middle class.

Best to cover all bases in impassioned rhetoric.

1984 anyone?

Now you're the one imaging meaning which isn't there. Stick to the facts.

To me "verbal abuse" includes online abuse - quite rightly.

Allira

I dislike the tarring of all the residents of Newbridge with the same brush, labelling a whole community racist bigots and indeed, Wales as a whole on the other thread.

There are bigoted people everywhere but whole communities do not get labelled as they have in these threads.

I agree with you about labelling whole groups, whether from a community or if they have anything else in common. However, I'm not sure they have on this thread.

I would also disagree about the importance of the group being scouts (or not). Again, I dislike any group being labelled. In this case it really doesn't matter whether they were scouts or even asylum seekers. Nobody should have created an posted online a video based on misinformation and intended to stir. My guess is that it's careless journalism by somebody who assumed that people staying on a scout camp are scouts.

Yes, there are bigoted people everywhere and I understand the police are investigating the incident.

Lathyrus3

I think the word I’m really looking for is integrity.

That's long gone. We are constantly de humanising other human beings by labeling them illegals,scroungers,and criminals.

I think the word I’m really looking for is integrity.

tricks, tricks, tricks😬

Ha, ha.

I recognise all these political tracks🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh for a little honesty in politics

Of course they can both be parts of the same incident Lathyrus3.

The visitors were "mistaken" for asylum seekers and insulted by residents of the Welsh town. However, the visitors were members of a charitable youth group from across the UK that had been enjoying a trip to CRAI Scout Activity Park. The visitors, some of whom were from Scotland, included children, families, teenagers, and group leaders.

This was filmed.

"Inappropriate and offensive" comments that were made online after the video was shared on Facebook are now being looked into by Gwent Police.

The video, which also alleged police were guarding the site was later denied by the police. The video has since been deleted.

Now do you understand?

What I cannot understand is that you spend all your time attacking me without commenting on those who insulted those they perceived to be asylum seekers.

From your point of view, it seems I cannot come on here and speak truth to the behaviour of the alt-right. But you accept this behaviour because those who insulted them thought they were asylum seekers. I would be delighted to find that last sentence wasn't true and that I am mistaken.

Allira

I dislike the tarring of all the residents of Newbridge with the same brush, labelling a whole community racist bigots and indeed, Wales as a whole on the other thread.

There are bigoted people everywhere but whole communities do not get labelled as they have in these threads.

Well that’s all part of the image and rhetoric isn’t it.

Welsh “village” full of backward people of “little brain” who believe anything their “leaders” tell them, according to the OP.

Who constitute a howling mob pursuing “foreigners” down the village street, no doubt intent upon hurling them into the duck pond🙄

Not quite sure where the far right motif comes in. I expect that’s for those whose internal image of *village” tends towards the wealthy middle class.

Best to cover all bases in impassioned rhetoric.

1984 anyone?

I prefer facts not drama and impassioned language designed to stir up as much trouble as possible

Agree, but it's absolutley everywhere. Fanning the flames when a cool head would be best for everybody.

I dislike the tarring of all the residents of Newbridge with the same brush, labelling a whole community racist bigots and indeed, Wales as a whole on the other thread.

There are bigoted people everywhere but whole communities do not get labelled as they have in these threads.

“Does it matter if they were Scouts or not”

Yes I think it does in the context of the Headline quoted.

Scouts are generally regarded positively so the headline was designed to rouse further indignation.

As were other inaccuracies.

“Verbal abuse” conjures up the picture of this group of children being harried along the “Village” street, whilst “villagers” (also an image) hurl insults and threats.

I particularly object to the over dramatising of any “news” to make it more “entertaining’ or to stir further antagonism.

There was some nasty online abuse. Which may have come from racist extremists or may equally have been initiated by someone trying to get the kind of reaction that they did get.

I prefer facts not drama and impassioned language designed to stir up as much trouble as possible.

MayBee70

I support a wonderful group that provides camping holidays for children from the Bristol area: many of them have never had a holiday. And these holidays can turn their lives around. Heaven help them if they start suffering verbal abuse on top of the problems they face at home.

Yes, those organisations are wonderful, aren't they.

I was thinking that some children may never experience a holiday although most schools do organise activity days or weeks now, I believe.

I support a wonderful group that provides camping holidays for children from the Bristol area: many of them have never had a holiday. And these holidays can turn their lives around. Heaven help them if they start suffering verbal abuse on top of the problems they face at home.

PoliticsNerd

Allira

PoliticsNerd

The police Chief was referring to a video of the incident. I can't see how that opposes the headlines, Lathyrus3.

So a person took a video and spread misinformation.

At least you condemned villagers (although it's not a village) and not The Welsh as a whole on the other thread!

Would you like to link where I "condemned" the Welsh Allira?

I didn't say that at all.

Even when I give you a kind of compliment you don't see it as that!!

OK!

Having followed this story from the beginning, I did see some accounts which claimed the group was made up of scouts.

The camp is described as CRAI Scout Activity Park. My guess is that it's owned by by the Scouts and possibly sponsored by CRAI (aka the Co-op). Its website states that it can be rented by groups for various activities.

It was sloppy journalism to claim that the group was scouts. The BBC states that the group was with a charitable organisation. I haven't a clue who they were, but I do know that there are various organisations who organise short breaks for children with various disadvantages.

Does it matter if they were scouts or not?

growstuff

Lathyrus3

Oh I’m only concerned with your two contradictory posts really.

Again. Which one?

I assume that's not directed at me. Which contradictions do you have issues with?

No not you. I just want Politicsnerd to say which f her contradictory posts she is settling for.

Scouts or no scouts etc

You know like the cat in the box…😬

growstuff

Lathyrus3

As you say it’s all about building up hysteria.-

against a Welsh town apparently
🤔🙄

Gosh could it be a bias😬

No! There hasn't been any hysteria about a Welsh town.

You don’t think inaccurately posting

“Villagers verbally abuse Scouts they mistook for migrants”

wasn’t intended to stir things up .

It worked for Politicsnerd. Really got them going😬

Lathyrus3

Oh I’m only concerned with your two contradictory posts really.

Again. Which one?

I assume that's not directed at me. Which contradictions do you have issues with?

Oh I’m only concerned with your two contradictory posts really.

Again. Which one?

Lathyrus3

As you say it’s all about building up hysteria.-

against a Welsh town apparently
🤔🙄

Gosh could it be a bias😬

No! There hasn't been any hysteria about a Welsh town.

Lathyrus3

And

Villagers verbally abuse Scouts is the other

Take your pick🤣

They weren't scouts, but I think the law takes online abuse seriously - even if it's not face-to-face, it's still damaging. We've seen from Southport (and other places) how online communication can be the catalyst for riots. Thank goodness it didn't get to that stage in this case. To be honest, I'm not even sure that there was any physical gathering.

I'm a bit puzzled about the original report that the locals couldn't understand Scots accents, if they didn't go anywhere near them.

From what I know (and I have checked facts), the group was leaving the camp. They had been living in tents and AFAIK hadn't caused any trouble.

Somebody (or somebodies) produced a video of the group, which included police officers standing outside the camp (although not necessarily when the group was staying). I haven't seen the video, so I don't know what was said in the voice-over, although I can guess, having seen some of the other videos produced by "citizen journalists". However, I did see a couple of comments responding to the video and supporting it - familiar rants about asylum seekers staying at the taxpayers' expense while "indigenous" homeless sleep on the streets and dangers to young girls from undocumented migrants, etc. It doesn't take much to spark off the misinformation - just as it did in Southport.

I haven't seen anybody labelling the population of Newbridge. For all anyone knows, the people responsible for the video don't even come from Newbridge - they're possibly not even Welsh.

All that is known is that somebody put some effort into producing and uploading a video which was intended to provoke a reaction. I have no idea what the outcome will be, but I hope those responsible get some sort of punishment.

Lathyrus3

As you say it’s all about building up hysteria.-

against a Welsh town apparently
🤔🙄

Gosh could it be a bias😬

The people who did this are being held to account. No one is attacking the Newbridge; I'm sure there are people there who are equally horrified.

You seem to have been left, twisting in the wind Lathyrus3. You cannot change the fact that this sort of situation has been created by the far-right and their followers.

So which one of your posts are you going with?

They can’t both be true?

Unless there’s a cat 🐈 nvolved🙄