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Unfolding Genocide

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Aug-25 13:51:55

BBC report

“Israel has faced mounting criticism over the 22-month-long war with Hamas, with UN-backed experts warning of widespread famine unfolding in the besieged territory.

On Tuesday members of an international group of former leaders known as "The Elders" for the first time called the war in Gaza an "unfolding genocide" and blamed Israel for causing famine among its population.

Following a visit to the Gaza border, Helen Clark and Mary Robinson, a former prime minister of New Zealand and a former president of Ireland, said in a joint statement: "What we saw and heard underlines our personal conviction that there is not only an unfolding, human-caused famine in Gaza. There is an unfolding genocide."

Anniebach Mon 18-Aug-25 19:52:07

ilverlining48 Mon 18-Aug-25 18:26:42
As for “wiping Jews from the planet” there is as much if not more coming from Israelis both government representatives and military, saying similar about Gazans and those from the West Bank, and with no one stopping them, they are on track to do just that.

‘As much if not more” , explains much

growstuff Mon 18-Aug-25 19:53:39

Not denying the large crowds Annie but you didn't count the hundreds of thousands who weren't there. The fact is that no crowd is representative of a whole population.

growstuff Mon 18-Aug-25 19:55:36

Anniebach

ilverlining48 Mon 18-Aug-25 18:26:42
As for “wiping Jews from the planet” there is as much if not more coming from Israelis both government representatives and military, saying similar about Gazans and those from the West Bank, and with no one stopping them, they are on track to do just that.

‘As much if not more” , explains much

Yes, it does explain something - why Palestinians hate Israelis. I suspect you might not feel too positive if marauding English people grabbed Welsh lands and killed anybody standing in their way.

Iam64 Mon 18-Aug-25 19:58:07

Haven’t caught up with the thread, will do. Watching Trump on ch 4 news, he’s making positive comments about the European countries.

I’m not in any way a Trump admirer but my initial response was - oh how tired he looks. He’s 78.
I’m 76 and honestly idont believe over seventy, even for fit folk, is too old to be Potus
Apologies for introducing humanity 🙈

Anniebach Mon 18-Aug-25 20:08:42

rowstuff Mon 18-Aug-25 19:55:36
Anniebach
ilverlining48 Mon 18-Aug-25 18:26:42
As for “wiping Jews from the planet” there is as much if not more coming from Israelis both government representatives and military, saying similar about Gazans and those from the West Bank, and with no one stopping them, they are on track to do just that.

‘As much if not more” , explains much
Yes, it does explain something - why Palestinians hate Israelis. I suspect you might not feel too positive if marauding English people grabbed Welsh lands and killed anybody standing in their way.

Palestinians hate Jews ?

Smileless2012 Mon 18-Aug-25 20:18:38

Some Palestinians hate Jews and some Jews hate Palestinians, there certainly doesn't appear to be any 'love' for the Palestinians on the West Band does there.

Smileless2012 Mon 18-Aug-25 20:19:27

West Bank not Band.

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Aug-25 00:19:53

The point surely is that some Palestinians do not hate Jewish people as such, just the ones who hate them. And vice versa. How many times do we have to repeat this obvious human truth?

REKA Tue 19-Aug-25 00:40:16

Palestinians are taught to hate Jews from a very early age. Primary school age.

I would have thought those well educated would have been more aware.

growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 02:35:16

REKA

Palestinians are taught to hate Jews from a very early age. Primary school age.

I would have thought those well educated would have been more aware.

Are you surprised? I'm sure there are individual Palestinians who have no problem with individual Israelis, but Israel as a country hasn't treated Palestine (as a country and much of its population) well.

Anniebach Tue 19-Aug-25 03:26:36

Israel was formed 1948, causing 5 Arab countries to declare war on Israel

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Aug-25 08:01:32

REKA

Palestinians are taught to hate Jews from a very early age. Primary school age.

I would have thought those well educated would have been more aware.

Some Jewish People are taught to hate Palestinians from a very early age. Primary School age.

I would have thought those well educated would have been more aware.

Smileless2012 Tue 19-Aug-25 08:35:47

Well said Wyllow.

You keep reiterating that Israel was formed in 1948 and 5 Arab states declared war as a result Annie but Israel is still there. It hasn't been all but flattened with relentless bombing. Israelis haven't been made homeless and/or displaced. They haven't been starved and had aid severely restricted or put their lives at risk while queuing for food, but Palestinians have and continue to do so.

Anniebach Tue 19-Aug-25 08:50:10

Quote Smileless2012 Tue 19-Aug-25 08:35:47
Well said Wyllow.

You keep reiterating that Israel was formed in 1948 and 5 Arab states declared war as a result Annie but Israel is still there. It hasn't been all but flattened with relentless bombing. Israelis haven't been made homeless and/or displaced. They haven't been starved and had aid severely restricted or put their lives at risk while queuing for food, but Palestinians have and continue to do so.

Starved , children photographed reaching out for food holding food containers through bars , impossible to draw the containers back through the bars , they wouldn’t fit through, how did they get though at the start of the photographs !

Smileless2012 Tue 19-Aug-25 09:15:05

How do you know the food containers wouldn't fit through bars? Were you there? Did you measure them?

Anniebach Tue 19-Aug-25 09:25:03

Quote Smileless2012 Tue 19-Aug-25 09:15:05
How do you know the food containers wouldn't fit through bars? Were you there? Did you measure them?

Look at the photographs,

growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 09:31:36

Anniebach

Israel was formed 1948, causing 5 Arab countries to declare war on Israel

Why should that be a surprise? The formation of the state of Israel meant that Arab Palestine lost land - as a result of Jewish persecution in Europe which Arabs hadn't caused.

Anniebach Tue 19-Aug-25 09:57:59

Quote growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 09:31:36
Anniebach
Israel was formed 1948, causing 5 Arab countries to declare war on Israel
Why should that be a surprise? The formation of the state of Israel meant that Arab Palestine lost land - as a result of Jewish persecution in Europe which Arabs hadn't caused.

There was no state of Palestine, Jews lived there for centuries

growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 10:14:09

Anniebach

Quote growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 09:31:36
Anniebach
Israel was formed 1948, causing 5 Arab countries to declare war on Israel
Why should that be a surprise? The formation of the state of Israel meant that Arab Palestine lost land - as a result of Jewish persecution in Europe which Arabs hadn't caused.

There was no state of Palestine, Jews lived there for centuries

The Jews who wanted to live in Israel lived in Europe. Palestinian Arabs were the ones who had lived there for centuries.

Here's a map of part of Palestine from 1924 - it most certainly did exist.

Anniebach Tue 19-Aug-25 10:34:14

Quote growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 10:14:09

The Jews who wanted to live in Israel lived in Europe. Palestinian Arabs were the ones who had lived there for centuries.

Here's a map of part of Palestine from 1924 - it most certainly did exist.

You Trying to rewrite history is pointless,

Smileless2012 Tue 19-Aug-25 10:50:41

It isn't growstuff whose trying to rewrite history.

Anniebach Tue 19-Aug-25 10:53:14

The following isn’t an attempt to rewrite history!

“The Jews who wanted to live in Israel lived in Europe. Palestinian Arabs were the ones who had lived there for centuries.”

growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 10:54:21

Anniebach

Quote growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 10:14:09

The Jews who wanted to live in Israel lived in Europe. Palestinian Arabs were the ones who had lived there for centuries.

Here's a map of part of Palestine from 1924 - it most certainly did exist.

You Trying to rewrite history is pointless,

Hahaha! I'm not the one rewriting history!!!

If the territories now known as Gaza and the West Bank didn't exist and Israel wasn't founded until 1948, what was the land called?

Seriously, you need to go back to your history books and get your head out of the clouds.

You might also be interested in knowing that ancient skeletons have bee found in the region. Current Palestinians have a closer DNA match than current Israelis.

growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 10:55:36

Anniebach

The following isn’t an attempt to rewrite history!

“The Jews who wanted to live in Israel lived in Europe. Palestinian Arabs were the ones who had lived there for centuries.”

No, it isn't. It's the truth. What's your point?

Anniebach Tue 19-Aug-25 11:11:39

Quote growstuff Tue 19-Aug-25 10:55:36
Anniebach
The following isn’t an attempt to rewrite history!

“The Jews who wanted to live in Israel lived in Europe. Palestinian Arabs were the ones who had lived there for centuries.”
No, it isn't. It's the truth. What's your point?

“No Jews lived there for centuries” , this is rewriting history

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