Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

Blame Israel for making Hamas so desperate.

JohnnyMo

Whitewavemark2

I trust all those people who are in denial over the famine will have the decency to admit how wrong they were when the truth is absolutely unavoidable.

Denial over the famine or the cause of the famine ?

Both

Babs03

I blame Hamas for the heinous Oct 7th attack as has everyone on threads like this but I blame Netanyahu and his far right cronies for responding disproportionately and turning this into a genocide, using starvation as a weapon of war.
And I might add there have been attacks by the IDF on Palestinians in the West Bank with property and land taken to build more illegal settlements which is not related to what is happening in Gaza.

So Hamas using several million Palestinians as human shields is entirely innocent

Because that is the morals and heart of the Israeli government. They are beyond contempt and godless, they should lose their land. I hope they are tried and found guilty of genocide and horrific war crimes.

David49

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David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

Well there is a thread about Sudan, to which many of us including yourself contributed 🙄

You started the thread about famine not Gaza and Sudan is far worse and that is just the greed of one side. Gaza is survival of the state blame Hamas.

If you actually read the OP it would have been obvious that the subject was Gaza

Aveline

Blame Israel for making Hamas so desperate.

Poor Hamas are terrorists and don’t deserve your sympathy

David49

Babs03

I blame Hamas for the heinous Oct 7th attack as has everyone on threads like this but I blame Netanyahu and his far right cronies for responding disproportionately and turning this into a genocide, using starvation as a weapon of war.
And I might add there have been attacks by the IDF on Palestinians in the West Bank with property and land taken to build more illegal settlements which is not related to what is happening in Gaza.

So Hamas using several million Palestinians as human shields is entirely innocent

You clearly do not understand the Geneva convention and the responsibility Israel has towards the civilian population.

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David49

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David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

Well there is a thread about Sudan, to which many of us including yourself contributed 🙄

You started the thread about famine not Gaza and Sudan is far worse and that is just the greed of one side. Gaza is survival of the state blame Hamas.

If you actually read the OP it would have been obvious that the subject was Gaza

No others made it about Gaza

It would become very confusing if we try to discuss Gaza and Sudan in the same thread.
It's easy to start a new thread but I think this is the usual 'change the subject' by those who try to deflect from the brutality happening in Gaza.

The events of Oct' 07th were horrendous - there can be no disputing that.

However...if you treat people in the way Israel has since 1948 i.e massacres, expulsions - even using biological weapons how can anyone dispute that what is happening is ethnic cleansing / genocide.

I can't understand why the world is allowing this to happen...

I’m absolutely done with the ‘Who started this and whose fault is it’ arguments when there is proof that children are starving. Anybody who thinks that the death of children is justified in the name of politics is not somebody I can respect.

Quote Dee1012 Fri 22-Aug-25 15:37:53
The events of Oct' 07th were horrendous - there can be no disputing that.

However...if you treat people in the way Israel has since 1948 i.e massacres, expulsions - even using biological weapons how can anyone dispute that what is happening is ethnic cleansing / genocide.

I can't understand why the world is allowing this to happen...

Genocide since 1948 ?

Quote AGAA4 Fri 22-Aug-25 15:30:11
It would become very confusing if we try to discuss Gaza and Sudan in the same thread.
It's easy to start a new thread but I think this is the usual 'change the subject' by those who try to deflect from the brutality happening in Gaza.

There is a thread on alleged genocide in Gaza , much said about alleged famine , started by same O/Poster

Hamas could end this tomorrow but they won’t with so many supporters world wide giving them hope.

David49

Hamas could end this tomorrow but they won’t with so many supporters world wide giving them hope.

Who are these supporters of Hamas?
Deflection again. Do you really believe if Hamas concede defeat that Israel will stop their plan to send all remaining Palestinians to their prison camps?

woodenspoon

Does anybody remember what started this and who started it? Hamas kidnapped and killed Israeli citizens. That’s what started all this. The mess is of their making. Those Israeli citizens are also being starved to death by Hamas while in captive.

Wrong. Wrong.....very very wrong.

The start was back in the late 1940's - when I'm ashamed to say our own Government was complicit in breaking off a part of Palestine and giving it to the Israelis (and not caring a bit that it is Palestine and belongs to the Palestinians).

There are some pretty good videos on YouTube explaining about the Naqba - ie the period when the Israeli Government and individual Jews threw Palestinians off their own land.

Guess I should set up a seance to contact my father though should I for further information (ie because he's dead). I've blocked many of the memories of my armed forces childhood (for obvious reasons in the circumstances) - but I do remember my father telling me that, before he met my mother/his wife, he had been sent out to Palestine in the late 1940's at the time of the Naqba. His comments were "Ugh!!!! Those Israelis......awful....awful....they were chasing them (ie the Palestinians), they were killing them" and shuddering at the remembrance of what the Israelis were like. His final comment "We had to protect THEM (ie the Palestinians)" (ie because the Israelis were being so awful to them).

They've not stopped since - they have been steadily stealing Palestine bit by little bit ever since and are still at it...

What are they supposed to do as their land gets steadily stolen off them (both by the Israeli Government and by settlers). Yep....plenty of YouTube videos and replays of news programmes of groups of settlers driving people off their land/destroying their villages/etc.

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The declaration of a State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين) took place in Algiers on November 15, 1988, by the Palestinian National Council, the legislative body of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
en.wikipedia.org

Netanyahu has denied that there is a famine. He reckons the UN have got their stats wrong. Yes, he is an evil man but he is kowtowing to people who are even worse than him. Then to make things worse, trump won’t do the decent thing and condemn Netanyahu and his government.

So where are the governments demanding that Hamas stop fighting, they are in control in Gaza

CariadAgain thank you for the insights into what was happening in the 1940s. from someone who was there. Things haven't changed it seems.

David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

Well that's our racism for you from all strata of UK society

The Sudan was part of the combined British and Egyptian Empires: people are black Africans, part of a continent carved up by European nations:

they were only after all (sarcasm button firmly on) "Natives"

we, the Great White Leaders Bringing Civilisation and Missionaries, did send some thoughtful and well intentioned people, but also sent our cast off aristocrats, our greedy business people, we brought them Aids, but the US have defunded initiatives to help:

we turned their communities and subsistence "grow your own food" into industrial agriculture for cheap food flown over polluting the atmosphere....

The education we offered was a white history and we cast them off in a hurry in just a few mostly post WW2 years, such a hurry ...

....that the vacuums left in power were often like in Zimbabwe and Sudan (not always, look at Botswana)

rapid and ill thought through attempts at establishing an imposed democracy failed and what followed was tyranny by fighting for a tyranny:

the right scweam and scweam at the very thought of any responsibility or reparations

And its easier to wring hands and say "how awful" and then cut aid budgets further

It's because they are black. We opened our hearts and front doors to Ukrainians - gosh they are white Europeans - when as you say yourself David....

no one mentions it.

Wyllow3 do you mean when gave them aid or took the Aids infection to them?

If you are referring to the AIDS infection it has been traced back to non-human primates in Central and West Africa.

I have scrolled through as I wish to respond to the OP's statement, not read anything else.

I am ashamed and very very selfishly I am concerned about my MH, especially when we have so much and others don't.

Take Care of yourself OP, a compassionate person.

The BBC online news is that Gaza City will be obliterated if the Israeli hostages are not released.
Why is Hamas refusing to release 20 hostages and presumably 30 corpses? Why?
How is this in any way defensible?