“Migrants are more important than residents" A statement that the Labour party will live to regret?

And so the trouble continues.

I reiterate, and no doubt sound very boring that it would be better for everyone concerned if the migrants had been moved somewhere else.

Three arrests were made last night during the ongoing protests in Epping. There is little sign of things calming down outside The Bell Hotel which is becoming a focal point in the country. Essex police are calling it a highly emotional situation. From what a resident who knows has told me, there is some controversy over a slight woman arrested by a group of police, but I haven't checked the facts.

I respect our police, I think anyone exhibiting criminal behaviour should be arrested. But it wouldn't be happening continuously and with growing fervour if the asylum seekers had been removed elsewhere.

escaped

And so the trouble continues.

I reiterate, and no doubt sound very boring that it would be better for everyone concerned if the migrants had been moved somewhere else.

Three arrests were made last night during the ongoing protests in Epping. There is little sign of things calming down outside The Bell Hotel which is becoming a focal point in the country. Essex police are calling it a highly emotional situation. From what a resident who knows has told me, there is some controversy over a slight woman arrested by a group of police, but I haven't checked the facts.

I respect our police, I think anyone exhibiting criminal behaviour should be arrested. But it wouldn't be happening continuously and with growing fervour if the asylum seekers had been removed elsewhere.

I agree. It has really escalated and, as you say, if the asylum seekers had been removed this would not be happening at all.

I have never been on any kind of protest in my life but then neither had most of the Pink Ladies (from what they said on TV) they just felt this was something they had to do to keep their children and the rest of the community safe.

And before the accusation of NIMBY is made, this is not acceptable in anyone's neighbourhood. And neither is this an acceptable stress to put on anyone, police and asylum seekers included. How much longer before something horrible occurs? Children as young as 10 are at these protests. Also, do we want to wait until an incendiary device is thrown into the Bell Hotel? I still think it is a tinderbox ready to ignite.

The government going against the Council, and of course the residents will be remembered at the next GE.
And on a practical note it would have been far better to move the asylum seekers from this hotel from anyone’s perspective.

... it would be better for everyone concerned if the migrants had been moved somewhere else. escaped

Somewhere along yours (and others) thinking, you have decided it's okay for white men, driven by misinformation, to have their voices heard. It is, apparently, also okay for innocent victims to be the ones to bear the brunt of this.

You would think every women in the country would be up in arms about this knowing that this was exactly how they have been treated for centuries.

What misinformation would that be? In this Epping case an asylum seeker from The Bell has been arrested for harassment of schoolgirls in the town centre.Maybe other charges.
Parents are worried about young men, or any men housed there from very different cultures to ours.

Oreo

The government going against the Council, and of course the residents will be remembered at the next GE.
And on a practical note it would have been far better to move the asylum seekers from this hotel from anyone’s perspective.

The outcome of future elections must never be allowed to influence the outcome of legal proceedings. Anybody who thinks that obviously doesn't have much respect for the institutions of the country.

Somewhere along yours (and others) thinking, you have decided it's okay for white men, driven by misinformation, to have their voices heard. It is, apparently, also okay for innocent victims to be the ones to bear the brunt of this.

Since when did the colour of their skin matter?

misinformation - who says?
truths and misinformation abound. In real life and on social media

to have their voices heard - why on earth should they not?
alarming that you seem to think they should not.

innocent victims - they are not innocent
more or less the entire point.
they came here illegally
I think that is what I dislike the most about the thoughts of left wing voters - on how they view life. Their views, on illigality. And oh how so easily they dismiss it as having none, or next to none, bearing and meaning about anything.

PoliticsNerd

^... it would be better for everyone concerned if the migrants had been moved somewhere else.^ escaped

Somewhere along yours (and others) thinking, you have decided it's okay for white men, driven by misinformation, to have their voices heard. It is, apparently, also okay for innocent victims to be the ones to bear the brunt of this.

You would think every women in the country would be up in arms about this knowing that this was exactly how they have been treated for centuries.

Somewhere along your thinking you conveniently ignore that I am concerned for more than just white men in this instance.
The asylum seekers in The Bell don't need this either. Everyone means everyone, doesn't it?

As an aside, and for your information, along with others here I do have non white relatives in my immediate family.

growstuff

Oreo

The government going against the Council, and of course the residents will be remembered at the next GE.
And on a practical note it would have been far better to move the asylum seekers from this hotel from anyone’s perspective.

The outcome of future elections must never be allowed to influence the outcome of legal proceedings. Anybody who thinks that obviously doesn't have much respect for the institutions of the country.

The ECHR shouldnt? Oh yes it should!

And yes, I think the conservatives pandered to it as well.

Which is all part of why so many people are switching to Reform. For now anyway.

Bridget Phillipson was interviewed by Trevor Phillips (Sky news yesterday morning).

Asked if she agreed with the Governments lawyer’s implication that migrants rights overruled the residents of Epping, she agreed with the statement…

There is no law which states people who shout loudest and are disruptive are the winners.

The appeal case hung on the application of planning laws and it's quite clear that the council didn't do itself any favours by not following the correct procedure more than once.

growstuff

There is no law which states people who shout loudest and are disruptive are the winners.

The appeal case hung on the application of planning laws and it's quite clear that the council didn't do itself any favours by not following the correct procedure more than once.

It worked for the suffrage movement…

I have never been on any kind of protest in my life but then neither had most of the Pink Ladies (from what they said on TV) they just felt this was something they had to do to keep their children and the rest of the community safe

No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about.

Children need to be safe, that's why we have the police, safeguarding and so on.

growstuff

Oreo

The government going against the Council, and of course the residents will be remembered at the next GE.
And on a practical note it would have been far better to move the asylum seekers from this hotel from anyone’s perspective.

The outcome of future elections must never be allowed to influence the outcome of legal proceedings. Anybody who thinks that obviously doesn't have much respect for the institutions of the country.

Of course it shouldn’t and I didn’t say that.
It’s just a simple fact that there will be less votes for Labour now as a result of this fiasco.Along with all their other disastrous decisions.

StripeyGran

*I have never been on any kind of protest in my life but then neither had most of the Pink Ladies (from what they said on TV) they just felt this was something they had to do to keep their children and the rest of the community safe*

No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about.

Children need to be safe, that's why we have the police, safeguarding and so on.

Where were police and safeguarding when this man continually bothered 14 year old girls in the town centre?
What you say about the mothers is just pure unpleasantness.

Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

The government going against the Council, and of course the residents will be remembered at the next GE.
And on a practical note it would have been far better to move the asylum seekers from this hotel from anyone’s perspective.

The outcome of future elections must never be allowed to influence the outcome of legal proceedings. Anybody who thinks that obviously doesn't have much respect for the institutions of the country.

Of course it shouldn’t and I didn’t say that.
It’s just a simple fact that there will be less votes for Labour now as a result of this fiasco.Along with all their other disastrous decisions.

Not to mention &any& MPs or government officals in any capacity, wanting migrants who came here illegally to have their rights put above local residents.

I personally take a very dim view of anyone, on social media or in real life, who thinks that should be so, and argues thus. With whatever "clever" words they think they can find.

Stripeygran - "No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about."

Isn't that just the point?? They came here illegally, have not been checked and therefore we know absolutely nothing about them. We do know that they many have a different culture where men do not respect women and we know that one has already been charged

sundowngirl

Stripeygran - "No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about."

Isn't that just the point?? They came here illegally, have not been checked and therefore we know absolutely nothing about them. We do know that they many have a different culture where men do not respect women and we know that one has already been charged

It's not acceptable to hurl abuse at people you don't know. It's likely that there are some bad apples (as there in any group), but there are also many good people. Quite frankly, it makes one just as bad (maybe worse) than the people being abused. Over 40% of the people charged in the riots last year has a record for domestic abuse, so don't try claiming that everybody involved cares about women and children.

Did you know that approximately 1 in 4 adults in the UK (rising to 1 in 3 for working-age males) has a criminal record of some sort? That wouldn't excuse abusing every person - or even every male - in the country.

fancythat

I personally take a very dim view of anyone, on social media or in real life, who thinks that should be so, and argues thus. With whatever "clever" words they think they can find.

I will convey this valuable opinion to HMG's trolling department.

growstuff

sundowngirl

Stripeygran - "No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about."

Isn't that just the point?? They came here illegally, have not been checked and therefore we know absolutely nothing about them. We do know that they many have a different culture where men do not respect women and we know that one has already been charged

It's not acceptable to hurl abuse at people you don't know. It's likely that there are some bad apples (as there in any group), but there are also many good people. Quite frankly, it makes one just as bad (maybe worse) than the people being abused. Over 40% of the people charged in the riots last year has a record for domestic abuse, so don't try claiming that everybody involved cares about women and children.

Did you know that approximately 1 in 4 adults in the UK (rising to 1 in 3 for working-age males) has a criminal record of some sort? That wouldn't excuse abusing every person - or even every male - in the country.

Did you know that approximately 1 in 4 adults in the UK (rising to 1 in 3 for working-age males) has a criminal record of some sort?

Goodness me! That must include a lot of Gransnetters!

Now, which of you have secrets to hide? 🤔

Of course, a traffic violation would be included in those statistics, for instance, a few of normally terribly law-abiding friends who turned on to a road with a new lower speed restriction, but where no 20 mph sign was visible and got caught and fined doing 24 or 25 mph.

Reminds of the saying

There are lies, damn lies and statistics

Parking violations, speeding tickets, fines for taking children out of school…

growstuff

Allira

My friend does a number of activities with asylum seekers, including carpentry and wood-turning

I don't doubt it. Which means that they could, under supervision, renovate and update some out-dated military quarters to make decent housing for them and others.

It just seems a sensible solution to the accommodation crisis.

I agree with you. They also have a small allotment, so they can even produce some of their own food. The point I was making was that the asylum seekers are not unskilled. I've met some of them. Some of them speak English quite well. They're polite and eager to be doing something.

That's good. Better than being bored stiff while they wait far too long for a decision.
The process is so slow.

growstuff

fancythat

I personally take a very dim view of anyone, on social media or in real life, who thinks that should be so, and argues thus. With whatever "clever" words they think they can find.

I will convey this valuable opinion to HMG's trolling department.

Sounds like a threat from an ex Goverment Official.