“Migrants are more important than residents" A statement that the Labour party will live to regret?

fancythat

growstuff - do you work for the government in any way? Paid or unpaid. A government department? Used by the government? etc

As I understand things, some people are used in that way to go on social media.

You have not replied so I assume yes.

As regards what the op posted - a Labour Education Spokesperson or Minister, is saying the same thing.

The genie cannot be kept in the bottle on this issue.

sundowngirl

growstuff

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

They cannot prove they are qualified in anything because as you well know, they have destroyed all their documents.

I have read countless reports that most of these young men have had barely any education.

I cannot see that they offer this country any benefit at all.

Where did you read that?

I have a good friend who has worked with asylum seekers for years. He's a retired police officer, so has come across plenty of miscreants in his life and is no soft touch.

He has told me that most of the young men he works with have had a very good education - that's how they had the money to pay for their trips and why their families supported them. Most of them do have skills which they could put to good use. Some of them even have good enough English to be able to walk into a job, if it were permitted.

I believe my friend rather than what you've read.

I have a family member who is an immigration officer and he would say the exact opposite about those arriving on our shores. I believe him when he says they are bringing nothing to this country

Absolutely. A good year ago I posted on GN about a Border Force Officer who bought my late Mum’s house and who I had many conversations with.

But that won’t be good enough because she believes “her friend, the Policeman”. 🤣🤣

growstuff

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

They cannot prove they are qualified in anything because as you well know, they have destroyed all their documents.

I have read countless reports that most of these young men have had barely any education.

I cannot see that they offer this country any benefit at all.

Where did you read that?

I have a good friend who has worked with asylum seekers for years. He's a retired police officer, so has come across plenty of miscreants in his life and is no soft touch.

He has told me that most of the young men he works with have had a very good education - that's how they had the money to pay for their trips and why their families supported them. Most of them do have skills which they could put to good use. Some of them even have good enough English to be able to walk into a job, if it were permitted.

I believe my friend rather than what you've read.

I would question that assertion.

Some asylum seekers may have had an education but many asylum seekers, having come from areas of conflict, displacement from their homes, have had interrupted education and have limited language skills.

sundown I still believe my friend, who actually works with asylum seekers. How much contact does an immigration officer actually have with asylum seekers?

Spinnaker

Just another complete effing stitch up by Starmer and all his legal cronies - makes me sick. But hey, carry on paying taxpayer 😡😡

Where's your evidence that Starmer intervened?

The latest judgment was sound - and used existing legal principles.

AFAIK there is no law which gives rights to residents if they don't like the people living in certain premises. The only law which has possibly been contravened is one of planning law, but the council failed to act for a number of years, so that's a very weak argument.

On the other hand, the Home Office does have a statutory duty to house asylum seekers. That's what the judges meant when they said that the Home Office had a stronger argument than the council, which quite frankly doesn't have one at all.

However, what people seem to be forgetting is what the latest judgment was all about. It wasn't final. It gave the Home Office the right to appeal - and that appeal hasn't even been heard yet. The original judge didn't even allow the Home Office to be represented. The only effect was that the appeal judges ruled that the original evacuation order within three(?) weeks was illegal. The full hearing is due to take place within a few weeks (forgot the actual date). The council will probably be consulting their legal team (paid for by council tax payers) and will probably come up with a stronger/different argument.

Meanwhile, the alleged sex abuser is in custody and I believe the verdict is imminent. There is no reason to believe that the residents of Epping are in any danger. The sex abuse case is "sub judice" and I'm concerned that his defence lawyers might claim that he hasn't had a fair trial as a result of all the publicity.

growstuff

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

They cannot prove they are qualified in anything because as you well know, they have destroyed all their documents.

I have read countless reports that most of these young men have had barely any education.

I cannot see that they offer this country any benefit at all.

Where did you read that?

I have a good friend who has worked with asylum seekers for years. He's a retired police officer, so has come across plenty of miscreants in his life and is no soft touch.

He has told me that most of the young men he works with have had a very good education - that's how they had the money to pay for their trips and why their families supported them. Most of them do have skills which they could put to good use. Some of them even have good enough English to be able to walk into a job, if it were permitted.

I believe my friend rather than what you've read.

I have a family member who is an immigration officer and he would say the exact opposite about those arriving on our shores. I believe him when he says they are bringing nothing to this country

growstuff

escaped

as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?
Exactly. Everywhere is full and can accommodate no more!

No, everywhere isn't full. The Bell Hotel is run down and before it started accommodating asylum seekers, it was on the verge of closing down and an application was made for it to be turned into a care home. A cursory glance at TripAdvisor will prove why it had very few bookings.

Would you rather the 30,000 people currently in hotels were sleeping on the streets?

Why would they be sleeping on the streets?? I would rather that they were confined in barracks, on the barge or similar accommodation.

They should not be allowed to roam the streets. Despite your defence of these illegal immigrants, we do not know who they are or where they come from and until they are processed they should be detained away from the general public

escaped

growstuff

escaped

When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

Do you mean Stuart Hooper?

No, he doesn't lump them all together. He acknowledges the polarisation of opinion in a number of interviews.

No. I've no idea about about Stuart Hooper.
It's not the name Epping residents I know used in this context. Google is your friend.

www.essex.police.uk/police-forces/essex-police/areas/essex-police/au/about-us/chief-officers/acc-hooper/

Google is indeed your friend!

He's the one Essex Police wheel out to give interviews to the media.

escaped

growstuff

escaped

When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

Do you mean Stuart Hooper?

No, he doesn't lump them all together. He acknowledges the polarisation of opinion in a number of interviews.

No. I've no idea about about Stuart Hooper.
It's not the name Epping residents I know used in this context. Google is your friend.

I'm 100% retired.

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

They cannot prove they are qualified in anything because as you well know, they have destroyed all their documents.

I have read countless reports that most of these young men have had barely any education.

I cannot see that they offer this country any benefit at all.

Where did you read that?

I have a good friend who has worked with asylum seekers for years. He's a retired police officer, so has come across plenty of miscreants in his life and is no soft touch.

He has told me that most of the young men he works with have had a very good education - that's how they had the money to pay for their trips and why their families supported them. Most of them do have skills which they could put to good use. Some of them even have good enough English to be able to walk into a job, if it were permitted.

I believe my friend rather than what you've read.

Ladyleftfieldlover

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.

Yes it’s truly horrible in France! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

They cannot prove they are qualified in anything because as you well know, they have destroyed all their documents.

I have read countless reports that most of these young men have had barely any education.

I cannot see that they offer this country any benefit at all.

growstuff - do you work for the government in any way? Paid or unpaid. A government department? Used by the government? etc

As I understand things, some people are used in that way to go on social media.

growstuff

escaped

When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

Do you mean Stuart Hooper?

No, he doesn't lump them all together. He acknowledges the polarisation of opinion in a number of interviews.

No. I've no idea about about Stuart Hooper.
It's not the name Epping residents I know used in this context. Google is your friend.

LizzieDrip

Ladyleftfieldlover

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.

I wonder that too LLFL

We can only imagine what horrors they have experienced.

Of course, some people choose not to consider that.

Correct. And to be fair, l I wrote fairly and squarely at the beginning that for everyone concerned this needs resolving. No one was keen though to acknowledge that I meant for the migrants too. I've given up writing that every time, especially when some people choose to jump in with their one sided argument.

The Home Office understands that local residents have concerns about the use of the hotel, which have been heard.
From the horse's mouth!

Ladyleftfieldlover

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.

I wonder that too LLFL

We can only imagine what horrors they have experienced.

Of course, some people choose not to consider that.

escaped

^When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.^
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

Do you mean Stuart Hooper?

No, he doesn't lump them all together. He acknowledges the polarisation of opinion in a number of interviews.

escaped

^as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?^
Exactly. Everywhere is full and can accommodate no more!

No, everywhere isn't full. The Bell Hotel is run down and before it started accommodating asylum seekers, it was on the verge of closing down and an application was made for it to be turned into a care home. A cursory glance at TripAdvisor will prove why it had very few bookings.

Would you rather the 30,000 people currently in hotels were sleeping on the streets?

When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?
Exactly. Everywhere is full and can accommodate no more!

Casdon

Perhaps the way to avoid precedents being set would be to put the onus on councils who want migrants moved from specific units is to charge those councils with finding alternative accommodation as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?

Exactly! It's NIMBYism. It's all very well clearing people from your patch, but they have to go somewhere.

escaped

The truth is, and figures are not needed to show this, that concern in Epping is at an all-time high. I think I said before that it would be better for everyone concerned for the migrants to be moved out. It would relieve the tension felt, but of course, this would set a difficult precedent.
The Bell Hotel is not much more than an easy 10 minute walk from the town, certainly for a fit young person. Even the Assistant Chief Constable has acknowledged that the strength of feeling in Epping about the hotel is not lost on him. At least he understands the significant impact that the situation is having on people. There is little wonder that Epping residents feel angry or scared.

How high is high?

Before this, I doubt if there was much concern at all, despite the fact that asylum seekers have lived in that hotel for years. That's a very low base, so it wouldn't be surprising if concern has increased, so you can now claim it's at an all-time high.

PS. When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together. There are plenty of Essex residents who don't feel anger or fear.

Perhaps the way to avoid precedents being set would be to put the onus on councils who want migrants moved from specific units is to charge those councils with finding alternative accommodation as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.