“Migrants are more important than residents" A statement that the Labour party will live to regret?

Thank you so much for those links Nougat. I couldn't find the second one when I searched.

Oreo

It doesn’t matter really about the actual wording as the damage is done. The government have appealed and won this judgement which means in itself that Labour doesn’t care what the residents of Epping or any other town think/ concerns.
Hotels housing migrants, mainly men, should never be used in the centre of towns.

It certainly does matter what the wording was, when the OP states categorically that something was said when it wasn't. This so-called fact was being used to stir.

You don't appear to understand the law.

Your opinion of where and how asylum seekers should be housed is a red herring and there have been plenty of other threads about the issue. The OP was specifically about the Epping case.

PS. The Bell Hotel in Epping isn't in the centre of town.

growstuff

What would you like to happen regarding this crisis?
Because that’s how many people see the migrant issue - a crisis.
I’m asking you in particular because you’re all over these threads being extremely defensive.
Are you happy for the situation to continue as it is? even though it’s causing so much trouble?
What is your solution to this problem?

Kandinsky

growstuff

What would you like to happen regarding this crisis?
Because that’s how many people see the migrant issue - a crisis.
I’m asking you in particular because you’re all over these threads being extremely defensive.
Are you happy for the situation to continue as it is? even though it’s causing so much trouble?
What is your solution to this problem?

Yes I’d be very interested to know that too.

You can stay interested. That's not what this thread is about.

It's about a specific case. Thankfully, the facts of the judgment and appeal are now in the public domain. Hopefully, enough people will challenge the malicious twisting and misinterpretations.

Lizziedrip I believe the people of Llanelli protested over the use of the Stradey Park as an asylum hotel, some time ago. They won and the hotel is back to its original use.

JamesandJon33

Lizziedrip I believe the people of Llanelli protested over the use of the Stradey Park as an asylum hotel, some time ago. They won and the hotel is back to its original use.

Was it the council which prosecuted? Do you know what grounds were used?

Did you mean Stradey Park Hotel?

So you have no solutions.
You just argue with anyone who wants something done.

Why am I not surprised.

growstuff

You can stay interested. That's not what this thread is about.

It's about a specific case. Thankfully, the facts of the judgment and appeal are now in the public domain. Hopefully, enough people will challenge the malicious twisting and misinterpretations.

I think it is. You vehemently disagree with most posters on the thread. What is your vested interests in allowing these migrants into the UK? It’s not just about principles of law. You’re too angry and emotionally involved to be dispassionate about it. So, let’s have the truth. What is your vested interest?

Kandinsky

So you have no solutions.
You just argue with anyone who wants something done.

Why am I not surprised.

Kandinsky 🤣👍🤣👍

What makes me so cross about this government is that there were two options already set up by the Conservatives, ie Rwanda and the barge moored off Dorset.
The only reason they didn’t work was the action of Left wing lawyers ( is there any other kind?) scuppering all attempts to deport the migrants.

I realise that those options couldn’t cope with many hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants arriving here, which is what as a country we are facing, but they were designed to act as a deterrent….
‘Turn up here uninvited and you could be sent to Rwanda or put on a barge’

As a European leader said, the UK needs to remove the pull factor which is compelling these young males to travel through various perfectly safe European countries to get here.

They are economic migrants, out to get whatever they can from us.

It’s an appalling situation. No wonder people are getting angry.

Has Nigel Farage got the answer?
I don’t know but as things stand I would be willing to give him a chance.

Kandinsky

So you have no solutions.
You just argue with anyone who wants something done.

Why am I not surprised.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

growstuff
I do understand the law thanks and you seem to take comments very ‘literally’ when most people would understand my post to mean that it doesn’t matter about words when the government have ridden roughshod over the concerns of residents in Epping and the Council who represent them, which in itself is enough and hardly needs words!
The Conservatives started the idiocy of housing migrants in hotels in towns and cities and this Labour government have followed suit.Disused military bases quickly refurbished was always the better option but discarded.
By appealing the government has sent out the message loud and clear to citizens of this country that their own people aren’t of much concern to them when it comes to doing what they want to do.

growstuff I believe that the Home Office were accused of not consulting the council.There was a great deal of local opposition. Llanelli is not a prosperous or rich area, and the sacking of the staff at the hotel was a very bad move, as there is a lot of unemployment in the area. The Home Office gave in in the end as local opposition was fierce.

Hmm! I'm reading about this. It would appear that there was no court case, but the Home Office backed down. The whole issue cost the local police over £1 million.

It also appears the announcement that the building was to be used as an asylum centre was made in 2023. If my memory serves me correctly, we had a Conservative government at the time, although I'm not sure if it was the Welsh Labour government which was in charge (could have been - not sure). The local Labour MP was one of the people who protested.

I guess that nobody can accuse Starmer of having had anything to do with it.

Currently, there are around around 32,000 asylum seekers accommodated in hotels. In September 2023, under the Tories, it was 56,000. 32,000 is a tiny fraction of the 70 million population - 0.00045% to be precise.

In the UK we have:

12 Core Cities: twelve major population and economic centres (e.g. London, Glasgow, Sheffield)

24 Other Cities: other settlements with a population of more than 175,000 (e.g. Leicester, Portsmouth, Aberdeen)

119 Large Towns: settlements with a population between 60,000 and 174,999 (e.g. Warrington, Hemel Hempstead, Farnborough)

270 Medium Towns: settlements with a population between 25,000 and 59,999 (e.g. Gravesend, Jarrow, Exmouth)

674 Small Towns: settlements with a population between 7,500 and 24,999 (e.g. Falmouth, New Romney, Holbeach)

If every city and every large and medium sized town accommodated just 30 people (fewer than can be accommodated on a single decker bus) then people would barely notice. Most (all?) cities and towns have long term empty commercial premises which could be converted into decent temporary accommodation or even permanent social housing.

We know the key to all this is faster processing of applications and that is happening. We know that processing virtually ground to a halt under the Tories, deliberately so as they knew they would lose the election and the Rwanda scheme was a dead duck. They left a problem for Labour to solve and they are making progress.

Of course, there are more people awaitng decisions than those accommodated in hotels but we do have space if they are given leave to stay - up to a million long-term empty homes that could be brought back into use as residences - plus a huge labour shortage that migrants could fill.

Regarding the barge at Dorset, they use these in the Netherlands unopposed.

JamesandJon33

growstuff I believe that the Home Office were accused of not consulting the council.There was a great deal of local opposition. Llanelli is not a prosperous or rich area, and the sacking of the staff at the hotel was a very bad move, as there is a lot of unemployment in the area. The Home Office gave in in the end as local opposition was fierce.

Thank you! It appears the situation was different from Epping. The hotel in Epping has been used for asylum seekers for a number of years. AFAIK there hasn't been any incident until recently and the council didn't raise an objection.

growstuff

PS. The Bell Hotel in Epping isn't in the centre of town.

But according to a news item this morning the Bell hotel is next to a school! The parents of the school children are now taking it in turns to patrol with their children to and from school as they are concerned for their safety.

Undocumented illegal immigrants should never be housed next to vulnerable children and be allowed to roam around the area freely.

woodenspoon

Regarding the barge at Dorset, they use these in the Netherlands unopposed.

What's that got to do with Epping or the latest judgment?

What is your vested interests in allowing these migrants into the UK?

Didn't you know? Behind the veneer of innocent citizen interested in supporting the rights of asylum seekers and making sure that people are aware of facts, rather than lies, growstuff runs a series of had car washes, vape shops and East of England work gangs all staffed by boat people who she smuggles off the beaches as they land... I expect she organises some of the people smugglers too. Bit of a dark horse is our growstuff.

What ridiculous assertions you are making...

JenniferEccles

What makes me so cross about this government is that there were two options already set up by the Conservatives, ie Rwanda and the barge moored off Dorset.
The only reason they didn’t work was the action of Left wing lawyers ( is there any other kind?) scuppering all attempts to deport the migrants.

I realise that those options couldn’t cope with many hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants arriving here, which is what as a country we are facing, but they were designed to act as a deterrent….
‘Turn up here uninvited and you could be sent to Rwanda or put on a barge’

As a European leader said, the UK needs to remove the pull factor which is compelling these young males to travel through various perfectly safe European countries to get here.

They are economic migrants, out to get whatever they can from us.

It’s an appalling situation. No wonder people are getting angry.

Has Nigel Farage got the answer?
I don’t know but as things stand I would be willing to give him a chance.

Well said
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The phrase in the OP has been used by at least one MP.

I see no problem whatsoever with the OP.

Labour is playing into Reform’s hands.

Reform might not form the next Government but I imagine they will gain more MP’s.

The hotel was originally used to house homeless and asylum seekers in 2020 at the outbreak of Covid.