Stop the BBC giving prominence to Reform

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Reform had more votes than the LD in the last election. Our system of FPTP meant they got very few MPs. I think that's why news outlets listen to what they say. Also Labour had less than a third of votes by those eligible to vote.

I sent a complaint to the BBC concerning their bias towards Reform. FGT2 mentioned in another thread the Reform party had as many votes as the LibDems. Reform have 4 seats, the LibDems have 72. But surely that’s the point. It’s SEATS that count (first past the post and all that) and that is our democracy. The Greens also have 4 seats yet they aren’t featured in every news broadcast. Fromage, I believe, has taken the opportunity to use the summer break when most MPs are on holiday, to incite (and I use that word deliberately) the uneducated, the unemployed and the uninformed to attack those who have fled to this country to escape war, famine etc. Some would say that the Reform MPs should be charged with incitement. I agree.

Sorry Lyndie, your message popped up as I posted mine so I hadn’t seen it.

winterwhite

The two main parties often seem identical, I agree, GG13, but the media are allowing Reform to punch well above their weight of 4 MPs. Absurd to be boasting of what they would do in power. There are other and more important subjects than immigration that other parties such as the Greens and Lib Dems are talking about. I agree with whoever said it’s lazy journalism.

Of course it's not lazy journalism. There is a Labour and a Tory minister on most mornings

Reform are not punching well above their weight. They may only have 4 MPs but more people voted for them than the Lib Dems in the election.

According to the polls they will have substantially more in the next election too.

The Reform Party, whether one likes it or not, are making waves, so to speak. The BBC's job is to report news/what-is-out-there. Polls suggest people want to hear about Reform policies, plans, etc. So the BBC is presumably reporting Reform related stuff.

This is mere guesswork on my part. I don't watch or listen to BBC news and I've no particular interest in Reform (reform, yes, but Reform, no) so my take is that the BBC is trying to do what it's supposed to do and be impartial.

Which includes talking about stuff some poeple don't like.

Ladyleftfieldlover

I sent a complaint to the BBC concerning their bias towards Reform. FGT2 mentioned in another thread the Reform party had as many votes as the LibDems. Reform have 4 seats, the LibDems have 72. But surely that’s the point. It’s SEATS that count (first past the post and all that) and that is our democracy. The Greens also have 4 seats yet they aren’t featured in every news broadcast. Fromage, I believe, has taken the opportunity to use the summer break when most MPs are on holiday, to incite (and I use that word deliberately) the uneducated, the unemployed and the uninformed to attack those who have fled to this country to escape war, famine etc. Some would say that the Reform MPs should be charged with incitement. I agree.

What a very rude post. Calling people uneducated and uninformed and for goodness sake, can we stop with the silly playground name calling - 'Fromage'

Well he thinks he’s a big cheese doesn’t he? But he really isn’t. Nearly four years is a long time in politics.

sundowngirl

Ladyleftfieldlover

I sent a complaint to the BBC concerning their bias towards Reform. FGT2 mentioned in another thread the Reform party had as many votes as the LibDems. Reform have 4 seats, the LibDems have 72. But surely that’s the point. It’s SEATS that count (first past the post and all that) and that is our democracy. The Greens also have 4 seats yet they aren’t featured in every news broadcast. Fromage, I believe, has taken the opportunity to use the summer break when most MPs are on holiday, to incite (and I use that word deliberately) the uneducated, the unemployed and the uninformed to attack those who have fled to this country to escape war, famine etc. Some would say that the Reform MPs should be charged with incitement. I agree.

What a very rude post. Calling people uneducated and uninformed and for goodness sake, can we stop with the silly playground name calling - 'Fromage'

My friend’s son a Met policeman would agree with llfl opinion of the protesters.

He finds their behaviour and language pretty grim.

Also sundown girl, I don’t consider my post rude. Anyone who prances round draped in the flag of St George and shouting obscenities at terrified immigrants can’t be the full picnic.

Ladyleftfieldlover

I sent a complaint to the BBC concerning their bias towards Reform. FGT2 mentioned in another thread the Reform party had as many votes as the LibDems. Reform have 4 seats, the LibDems have 72. But surely that’s the point. It’s SEATS that count (first past the post and all that) and that is our democracy. The Greens also have 4 seats yet they aren’t featured in every news broadcast. Fromage, I believe, has taken the opportunity to use the summer break when most MPs are on holiday, to incite (and I use that word deliberately) the uneducated, the unemployed and the uninformed to attack those who have fled to this country to escape war, famine etc. Some would say that the Reform MPs should be charged with incitement. I agree.

It’s not a fair voting system I don’t think

Ladyleftfieldlover

I sent a complaint to the BBC concerning their bias towards Reform. FGT2 mentioned in another thread the Reform party had as many votes as the LibDems. Reform have 4 seats, the LibDems have 72. But surely that’s the point. It’s SEATS that count (first past the post and all that) and that is our democracy. The Greens also have 4 seats yet they aren’t featured in every news broadcast. Fromage, I believe, has taken the opportunity to use the summer break when most MPs are on holiday, to incite (and I use that word deliberately) the uneducated, the unemployed and the uninformed to attack those who have fled to this country to escape war, famine etc. Some would say that the Reform MPs should be charged with incitement. I agree.

Not so much rude, as patronising. the underlying message being that anyone who votes Reform is too stupid to know better and the author of the post considers she has a much more superior intellect than all those stupid Reform voters

It was the same in the run up to the referendum. Farage was on Question Time far more than everybody else. What he and Reform are clever about is being readily available. Mind you my partner tells me that Tice was interviewed by Trevor Phillips on Sky News. When he said Reform would use the Royal Navy when it came to the boats Phillips asked him in what capacity they would be deployed and Tice had no answer to that. They usually get away with making sweeping statements without any sort of interrogation.

"the uneducated, the unemployed and the uninformed"

How would anyone know what level of education random protesters have? Education is not a prerequisite for good behaviour, observe the type of "educated" oafs that inhabited the Bullingdon Club well known for their disgraceful behaviour, so education is somewhat of a misnomer in a context in which the people labelled as such are unknown to you llfl, after all Angela Rayner doesn't have a formal education. So would you label her uneducated? Do you actually mean in your view they're a bunch of yobbos or rabble belonging to some sort of sub class? or is that too bald a statement? but maybe you should say it anyway just to be clear. There is an element who are making a complete public nuisance of themselves but then so did "Just Stop Oil" and some of the "Free Palestinian" marchers. We live in a democracy where protest is allowed.

Unemployed, maybe? maybe not, how would anyone know protesters employment status when there are umpteen variables that could come into play. Shift work possibly, annual leave. Anyway another assumption.

Uninformed - Possibly, but similar to not knowing the level of education or employment status of the protesters, in the same way no one can guarantee that those arriving on our shores are fleeing war, some will be, equally some will be economic migrants. Some will be honourable people who come here to work hard and to observe our laws. However, amongst those will be a percentage who have criminal intent. What we do know, from various countries around Europe, including our own there have been rapes and acts of sexual violence committed against women by migrant men. Sometimes these have been suppressed by various authorities in the interests of cohesion which always has a counter productive effect when the truth is out. Example, New Year, Cologne 1,000 German women were sexually assaulted that night. In our own country there has at times been a lack of transparency around perpetrators nationality in criminal activity.

So taking the protesters as a whole there are some who do it peacefully and some who don't. Similarly with the asylum seekers, some who are genuinely fleeing persecution, some aren't. Neither group will be a homogeneous mass.

If, the consensus of public opinion was, that the previous Tory government and the present Labour government had any sort of effective handle on the boat situation, then maybe we wouldn't even have a Reform. After all one doesn't have to have the intellect of Macron who was heard to say something along the lines of "you make Britain too much of an attraction for migrants" strangely, even the uneducated "thickos" can reach the same opinion, especially when they're seeing it with their own eyes.

👏👏👏 TerriBull thank you

Reform certainly are not being over exposed. Reform speak for the people who are appalled by what is happening to our small country, the rise in crime, our homeless being ignored whilst illegal migrants languish in warm hotels, people having to choose between eating and heating etc...

M0nica - I agree with you that lefties think they are morally superior and presume those of us who don't share their views are stupid.

Baggs

The Reform Party, whether one likes it or not, are making waves, so to speak. The BBC's job is to report news/what-is-out-there. Polls suggest people want to hear about Reform policies, plans, etc. So the BBC is presumably reporting Reform related stuff.

This is mere guesswork on my part. I don't watch or listen to BBC news and I've no particular interest in Reform (reform, yes, but Reform, no) so my take is that the BBC is trying to do what it's supposed to do and be impartial.

Which includes talking about stuff some poeple don't like.

Clickbait?

^Unemployed, maybe? maybe not, how would anyone know protesters employment status when there are umpteen variables that could come into play. Shift work possibly, annual leave. Anyway another assumption.
^

A lot lot less people work 9-5 than used to.
At least, that is true where I am.
And many work from home nowadays too.

The Uk working hours have changed dramatically in the last 20 years or so.

Not that I am saying one way or another whether the protestors are largely unemployed.
But a huge guess from Lffl I would say.

fancythat

Baggs

The Reform Party, whether one likes it or not, are making waves, so to speak. The BBC's job is to report news/what-is-out-there. Polls suggest people want to hear about Reform policies, plans, etc. So the BBC is presumably reporting Reform related stuff.

This is mere guesswork on my part. I don't watch or listen to BBC news and I've no particular interest in Reform (reform, yes, but Reform, no) so my take is that the BBC is trying to do what it's supposed to do and be impartial.

Which includes talking about stuff some poeple don't like.

Clickbait?

I'm not sure I understand that remark, fancythat. Do you mean the BBC is perhaps engaging in clickbait?

Baggs

The Reform Party, whether one likes it or not, are making waves, so to speak. The BBC's job is to report news/what-is-out-there. Polls suggest people want to hear about Reform policies, plans, etc. So the BBC is presumably reporting Reform related stuff.

This is mere guesswork on my part. I don't watch or listen to BBC news and I've no particular interest in Reform (reform, yes, but Reform, no) so my take is that the BBC is trying to do what it's supposed to do and be impartial.

Which includes talking about stuff some poeple don't like.

They do not question them about their manifesto though do they? Only migrants. And when they ask them how they’re going to go about that they don’t have a coherent answer other than taking away everyone’s rights ( yours, mind, our children and grandchildren).We can see what’s happening in America with Trump and yet people think his mini me Farage is the answer to all our problems. They’re also climate change deniers, too. But then, so are a lot of people on this forum….

Baggs

fancythat

Baggs

The Reform Party, whether one likes it or not, are making waves, so to speak. The BBC's job is to report news/what-is-out-there. Polls suggest people want to hear about Reform policies, plans, etc. So the BBC is presumably reporting Reform related stuff.

This is mere guesswork on my part. I don't watch or listen to BBC news and I've no particular interest in Reform (reform, yes, but Reform, no) so my take is that the BBC is trying to do what it's supposed to do and be impartial.

Which includes talking about stuff some poeple don't like.

Clickbait?

I'm not sure I understand that remark, fancythat. Do you mean the BBC is perhaps engaging in clickbait?

yes

fancythat

Baggs

fancythat

Baggs

The Reform Party, whether one likes it or not, are making waves, so to speak. The BBC's job is to report news/what-is-out-there. Polls suggest people want to hear about Reform policies, plans, etc. So the BBC is presumably reporting Reform related stuff.

This is mere guesswork on my part. I don't watch or listen to BBC news and I've no particular interest in Reform (reform, yes, but Reform, no) so my take is that the BBC is trying to do what it's supposed to do and be impartial.

Which includes talking about stuff some poeple don't like.

Clickbait?

I'm not sure I understand that remark, fancythat. Do you mean the BBC is perhaps engaging in clickbait?

yes

OK, thanks 😊

Great post Terribull! Spot on!

M0nica

I thought the BBC was meant to be a woke left wing organisation. Is this evidence that it is actually being an even handed organisation.

Where on the BBC is all this Reform propaganda (i assume that is what you mean) BBC TV News is not often that often so I presume you mean R4. Does aanayone who votes Reform actually listen to R4, I would have thought their radio tastes would lie elsewhere.

I support Reform. I like opera, my favourite is Tosca, classic FM, Shakespeare, poetry, history biographies (non fiction), 19 th Century English literature. I also play bridge.