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Afghan earthquake, Taliban rescuers cannot rescue women.
(67 Posts)Something that had never occurred to me in the aftermath of the earthquake.
Afghan women were left to die in the wake of the country’s 6.6 magnitude earthquake because of Taliban rules forbidding unrelated men from having contact with them, The Telegraph has been told.
The quake killed thousands of people and devastated homes across the country’s mountainous areas on Sunday, with two powerful aftershocks on Friday raising fears of more death and destruction.
Survivors say the Taliban’s draconian restrictions – as much as the tremors – have cost Afghan women their lives.
It took rescuers 20 hours to reach Devagarh village on Monday in one of the worst-hit areas. When they did arrive, the women hid behind the broken walls of their houses after seeing the all-male rescue team, one rescuer told The Telegraph.
“We can’t speak with the women or try to contact them because it’s prohibited. Touching even a dead woman will have consequences,” he said, seeking anonymity.
This is beyond sad, the cultural differences are so enormous.
Those poor women. There are no words really.
Are outside aid agencies going in to help e.g. MSF? If so, hopefully they will send female rescuers and medics to help the women.
Surely any aid money should be going to official aid agencies … not to the Taliban.
It's not the first time though is it? Remember the girls who died in the fire because no one could rescue them?
I can't imagine how the people of Afghanistan can put up with the Taliban when I imagine the utter rage I would feel if it was my mother, sisters and daughters that weren't being rescued. I don't believe there is anything the West can do - the change has to come from within or it just becomes a Western civilisation persecuting a different religion.
How do these mean think they managed to be born? It's entirely illogical to see women's lives as inferior when their whole existence is due to a mother delivering and nurturing them.
It’s how even from childhood how they view women
Well he has shown his truth now.
news.sky.com/story/farage-confirms-he-wants-to-deport-women-back-to-taliban-in-afghanistan-13425996
Oreo
Islamist extremism, that’s the sort of thing you get.We shouldn’t be sending any aid there whatsoever.
It's not " Islamist extremism". I
It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women. Even very westernised, well integrated Muslims living in UK will very often observe it; discreetly so as not to cause any unintended offence .When Muslim friends introduce me to their male friends or family members, out of courtesy they will not offer to shake my hand and I would never dream of putting them on the spot by extending my own.
Frankly I wish more westerners would be as polite over touching.. I hate it when someone you just met 5 seconds ago leans in for a hug or kiss.
Women’s rights in many countries are dire.
Rural India. Saw it myself. Not Moslem area.
Iraq.
Human rights are more than questionable in say Saudi.
We cannot withdraw aid as a bargaining chip.
It will take much more to do that.
Meanwhile any life in Gaza counts for nothing. That’s Israel with tacit US backing.
It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women.
Some respect that leaves women trapped under rubble to die. It appears to be more rooted in the 'ownership' of women by their male family members.
Frogoet So are you suggesting we should just ignore the lack of women's rights under the Taliban because there are abuses elsewhere?
Casdon
Well he has shown his truth now.
news.sky.com/story/farage-confirms-he-wants-to-deport-women-back-to-taliban-in-afghanistan-13425996
He certainly has!
butterandjam
Oreo
Islamist extremism, that’s the sort of thing you get.We shouldn’t be sending any aid there whatsoever.
It's not " Islamist extremism". I
It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women. Even very westernised, well integrated Muslims living in UK will very often observe it; discreetly so as not to cause any unintended offence .When Muslim friends introduce me to their male friends or family members, out of courtesy they will not offer to shake my hand and I would never dream of putting them on the spot by extending my own.
Frankly I wish more westerners would be as polite over touching.. I hate it when someone you just met 5 seconds ago leans in for a hug or kiss.
So would you prefer to lie somewhere and slowly die rather than have a male paramedic lift you up, a male doctor examine you and a male nurse attend to you?
Not really relevant Allira, just a point of information, that's exactly what happened to some Victorian women who allowed themselves to die of intimate cancers, rather than let male doctors examine them. And so, women began to get permission to train as doctors. It was one of the factors in this advance.
In previous times, there were 'wise women' to consult.
Okay, back to the actual post.
butterandjam
Oreo
Islamist extremism, that’s the sort of thing you get.We shouldn’t be sending any aid there whatsoever.
It's not " Islamist extremism". I
It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women. Even very westernised, well integrated Muslims living in UK will very often observe it; discreetly so as not to cause any unintended offence .When Muslim friends introduce me to their male friends or family members, out of courtesy they will not offer to shake my hand and I would never dream of putting them on the spot by extending my own.
Frankly I wish more westerners would be as polite over touching.. I hate it when someone you just met 5 seconds ago leans in for a hug or kiss.
Based on respect for women, yeah right!
The Taliban are Islamist extremists btw who take Muslim and Afghani culture to a whole new low level, especially where women are concerned.
I do not believe a woman lying in such pain under a pile of rubble would cry “you are no gentleman “ to rescuers
The Taliban are respectful of women - really butterandjam
I’m finding it difficult not to equate this to the reports that men from Afghanistan are disproportionately represented in reported sex offences against females
I wasn’t brave enough to post that Iam64
Rosie51
^It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women.^
Some respect that leaves women trapped under rubble to die. It appears to be more rooted in the 'ownership' of women by their male family members.
Frogoet So are you suggesting we should just ignore the lack of women's rights under the Taliban because there are abuses elsewhere?
I agree, Rosie. You'd think that even if women were seen as chattels of men they could be rescued in the way that other possessions could be pulled out and saved - if only to allow men to hang onto what is rightfully theirs. Women's lives are clearly viewed as less important than objects. It's horrible.
Doodledog
Rosie51
It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women.
Some respect that leaves women trapped under rubble to die. It appears to be more rooted in the 'ownership' of women by their male family members.
Frogoet So are you suggesting we should just ignore the lack of women's rights under the Taliban because there are abuses elsewhere?I agree, Rosie. You'd think that even if women were seen as chattels of men they could be rescued in the way that other possessions could be pulled out and saved - if only to allow men to hang onto what is rightfully theirs. Women's lives are clearly viewed as less important than objects. It's horrible.
It's typical of authoritarians of any religion that they keep the letter of the religious law and not the spirit of it.
Bring the women over and send the men back...
Doodledog every time I see these old photos it makes me realise how easily women's rights can be eroded. Laughing young women in public places enjoying themselves, socialising, working. Not even a hijab in sight. Now they only need to be able to see with one eye from within their burka, and shouldn't even speak in public. No chance they'd even want to laugh I'd assume. And there are those wanting to defend it as a cultural thing. It wasn't cultural 50 years ago.
On Twitter recently there was a photo of a man and his young son enjoying themselves in the sea in normal swimwear. Standing on the sand in baking sun and fully covered stood the wife and mother. Obviously it was out of respect for her. 🙄
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
So sorry. Wrong thread. I have reported it.
Very easily eroded Doodledog, and not just by Islamic fundamentalists. The so called 'Christian' ones in the USA are trying to redefine how women should behave.
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