Afghan earthquake, Taliban rescuers cannot rescue women.

NotSpaghetti

I don't know anything much about deportation from Germany of Afghan nationals back to Afghanistan.
I know they sent some back (38 or 40 ish? ) - men who had committed crimes in Germany.

I have now looked it up -
In late August 2024, Germany resumed deportations, with a flight carrying 28 Afghan nationals who were described as "convicted criminals."
​A second deportation flight happened in July this year with 81 Afghan men who had their asylum applications rejected and had also committed crimes.

I can't find any evidence of any women being sent back.

In fact, Germany has admitted a first group of Afghan nationals to Germany who had been deported from Pakistan.
They are considering the cases of others and promised that vulnerable Afghans would be granted entry.

I don't know anything much about deportation from Germany of Afghan nationals back to Afghanistan.
I know they sent some back (38 or 40 ish? ) - men who had committed crimes in Germany.

I have now looked it up -
In late August 2024, Germany resumed deportations, with a flight carrying 28 Afghan nationals who were described as "convicted criminals."
​A second deportation flight happened in July this year with 81 Afghan men who had their asylum applications rejected and had also committed crimes.

I can't find any evidence of any women being sent back.

Maremia

How about lots of other things that would help? How about suggesting things we can actually try to do?
Putting pressure on your own politicians, is a 'doable'.

You just said
We can't control what Germany does.

We cannot control what the Taliban does.
So how can putting pressure on our own MPs work?

Maremia

Absolutely agree with you there, about they must make the change. But the women we can help, here, don't send them back.

Agree 👍

Absolutely agree with you there, about they must make the change. But the women we can help, here, don't send them back.

Maremia many countries have tried in Afghanistan, Russia, USA, UK etc., none of which have been successful.

The change needs to come from within, none radical Afghans working against the Taliban.

Governments have and are using sanctions against the regime with no success, just more poverty and corruption.

And yes, I am with you about not sending them back.

How about lots of other things that would help? How about suggesting things we can actually try to do?
Putting pressure on your own politicians, is a 'doable'.

We can't control what Germany does.

Perhaps the many Reform GNs could use their influence on Farage and disuade him from this policy? I thought he had backtracked on it, when challenged, but apparently he repeated this intention yesterday.
Since we are on this thread in support of these women, aren't we, and that there are plenty of Reform supporters on these threads, that would be a positive use of influence.

Maremia

So, what do you all think of Farage's proposal to pay the Taliban to take back refugees, including women?
That would mean putting more women in harm's way, and also would mean putting money into their economy.

I do not agree with sending back women and children to Afghanistan.

Nigel Farage intends to follow what Germany is already doing, sending people back to Afghanistan.

How about the young Afghan men rising up against the Taliban and taking back their country?

So, what do you all think of Farage's proposal to pay the Taliban to take back refugees, including women?
That would mean putting more women in harm's way, and also would mean putting money into their economy.

😍 should not have been there 🤬🤬🤬

I do not think we should be sending any aid money to the Taliban, full stop.

Send rescue teams, but not money.

They are a barbaric evil group of b***ards masquerading as obedient servants of Allah 🤬🤬😍

Doodledog

The truly scary thing is that the photo shows Afghan women in 70s Kabul. The speed with which things have changed for women since then shows that we can never be complacent when it comes to erosion of our rights.

True

GrannyGravy13

The Taliban are respectful of women - really butterandjam

No, that is not what I said.

I responded to this;

"Islamist extremism, that’s the sort of thing you get.We shouldn’t be sending any aid there whatsoever."

Do you agree with that?

Very easily eroded Doodledog, and not just by Islamic fundamentalists. The so called 'Christian' ones in the USA are trying to redefine how women should behave.

So sorry. Wrong thread. I have reported it.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Doodledog every time I see these old photos it makes me realise how easily women's rights can be eroded. Laughing young women in public places enjoying themselves, socialising, working. Not even a hijab in sight. Now they only need to be able to see with one eye from within their burka, and shouldn't even speak in public. No chance they'd even want to laugh I'd assume. And there are those wanting to defend it as a cultural thing. It wasn't cultural 50 years ago.

On Twitter recently there was a photo of a man and his young son enjoying themselves in the sea in normal swimwear. Standing on the sand in baking sun and fully covered stood the wife and mother. Obviously it was out of respect for her. 🙄

The truly scary thing is that the photo shows Afghan women in 70s Kabul. The speed with which things have changed for women since then shows that we can never be complacent when it comes to erosion of our rights.

Bring the women over and send the men back...

Doodledog

Rosie51

It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women.
Some respect that leaves women trapped under rubble to die. It appears to be more rooted in the 'ownership' of women by their male family members.

Frogoet So are you suggesting we should just ignore the lack of women's rights under the Taliban because there are abuses elsewhere?

I agree, Rosie. You'd think that even if women were seen as chattels of men they could be rescued in the way that other possessions could be pulled out and saved - if only to allow men to hang onto what is rightfully theirs. Women's lives are clearly viewed as less important than objects. It's horrible.

It's typical of authoritarians of any religion that they keep the letter of the religious law and not the spirit of it.

Rosie51

^It's a convention of Muslim culture based on respect for women.^
Some respect that leaves women trapped under rubble to die. It appears to be more rooted in the 'ownership' of women by their male family members.

Frogoet So are you suggesting we should just ignore the lack of women's rights under the Taliban because there are abuses elsewhere?

I agree, Rosie. You'd think that even if women were seen as chattels of men they could be rescued in the way that other possessions could be pulled out and saved - if only to allow men to hang onto what is rightfully theirs. Women's lives are clearly viewed as less important than objects. It's horrible.

I wasn’t brave enough to post that Iam64