Reform supporting anti-vaxxers

I am very tired of anti vaxxers these vaccines saved lives including my DC’s who would have probably not survived awful Covid!
Am quite concerned regarding the poor take up of children’s vaccines seeing children dying from whooping cough will stay with me forever. Sorry slightly off piste!

Mt61

Caleo

Nurses who worked among patients with acute infectious fevers would have died if they had not received any vaccinations they needed and which were available.

A nurse in our neighbourhood was practically forced to have that vaccine.
Even thought about quitting their job, as a result.

Nurses have a special duty to the public health, more so than most other citizens. Better that one or two nurses have their personal wishes ignored than that they spread Covid arounfd their patients .

Let's not forget how Farage fair broke his neck to cosy up to Trump not that long ago.
As far as I'm concerned, he's using the same tactics, latching onto immigration and ultra right wing ideology to get into power.
He's an oportunist and people are falling for his rhetoric just like they did with Brexit.
Does anyone know what other policies he has lined up? all he talks about is immigration.
I can't stand his gurning grin, and I certainly wouldn't buy a second hand car from him that's for sure, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could fling him, as my old dad used to say

This is nothing to do with Nigel Farage. This is about people’s concerns with the Covid vaccine. And people have had these concerns for a while now.
Stop trying to blame everything you don’t agree with on him. It’s lazy & adds nothing to the discussion.
For all you know he could have had 10 covid vaccines.

Kandinsky

This is nothing to do with Nigel Farage. This is about people’s concerns with the Covid vaccine. And people have had these concerns for a while now.
Stop trying to blame everything you don’t agree with on him. It’s lazy & adds nothing to the discussion.
For all you know he could have had 10 covid vaccines.

Okay. But where DO you source your opinions on vaccination from?

I wonder how much he was paid to speak?
I’ve had all the offered vaccinations and will continue to do so (had shingles one on Friday).

Caleo
Various places over the years.
Even the NHS admit the vaccine has serious side effects ( admittedly rare ) in some people. But that’s true of any vaccine I know. I’m just concerned I had 4 vaccines in 3 years. That’s a lot.
I’m not ‘anti - vaccine’ - all my children have been vaccinated against MMR, my youngest child was born at the time when MMR was being linked to autism. I still went ahead & had him vaccinated.
I’m just worried about the covid vaccine.
Hopefully I’m worrying unnecessarily.

Please be clear that the Dr in Dr John Campbell is a PhD in nursing and NOT a medical qualification.

He speaks as a lay person in medical debates and his opinions are those of a lay person.

I am clear that vaccination programmes are one of the biggest public health successes of all time, second only to clean water supplies and sanitation.

I’m just concerned I had 4 vaccines in 3 years. That’s a lot.

Every time you have a covid vaccination you are being protected from a new strain of the virus - just as with flu vaccines. So you have had 4 different vaccinations, not 4 the same. So it is not a lot - as the virus mutates we need new protection.

My concern Kandinsky is that Forage will discourage vaccination as Trump is doing, nothing 'lazy' about that (rude by the way) we're already seeing a drop in various other immunisations which is worrying especially in children.
Presumably you have a flu jab every year? each one a different variant like COVID? are you worried about that too?

Fair enough Caleo, but they should still have that choice without the fear of being sacked.
I am, btw, not an anti-vaxxer, I was practically breaking down the surgery door to get my first vaccine. I became so ill from the first AZ.
I do believe in children having all their vaccines for sure.
I myself had a TB jab at five, people in my family with TB at the time. So yes vaccines do save lives.

I’ve never had the flu jab. I think the flu vaccine is only offered to people over 65?
( I’m 62 )

sassenach512
People generally believe what they want to believe. There are parents who still think the MMR causes autism, 25 years on from proving it doesn’t.
That’s nothing to do with Nigel Farage.

Caleo

There needs to be an intelligible and entertaining public information campaign concerning vaccination.

Kandinsky, a poster to Gransnet, is clearly misinformed and she is not the only one.

Oh btw, are you an expert on these vaccines?

Kandinsky

I’ve never had the flu jab. I think the flu vaccine is only offered to people over 65?
( I’m 62 )

I have been getting the flu jab since I was 36. It’s the one jab I will get this year for sure. I’ve had flu, & Covid. Covid for me was nothing like the flu.

I’ve never been offered the flu jab.
I’m in England btw. ( if that makes any difference? )

When scientific research papers on Covid started to become available on line I read them. It became apparent that Covid attacks the immune system and can have a seriously damaging effect on any organ in the body. Which is unusual for the viruses we are accustomed to suffering from in Europe.

It seemed to me that there was equal personal risk attached to either having covid or having the covid vaccination. But there was a wider risk associated with having covid in that one could spread the virus further when it needed to be contained.

I've had all the covid vaccinations offered with no ill effect and so has my DH. There are so many other potential hazards to health in existence that it seems irrational to refuse one protective mechanism, the vaccine, when one could easily be adversely affected by any other of the extant hazards.

Of course, proper masking would have greatly reduced the risk of catching and spreading covid, but there were muddles over that and a vociferous anti-masking campaign in addition to the anti-vaxers...

The gentleman in this case is a qualified nurse. That does not reference, as has already been stated, his moral or ethical standing.
Harold Shipman was qualified.
Everyone should accept, or refuse, the vaccinations offered to them as they wish, but we should use critical thinking when data is offered: some " experts' confuse anecdote and data.

Exactly - as I said above, he is NOT a medical doctor. The Dr designation is a PhD. He is not an expert and should not be presenting himself as such. He is a charlatan.

I think you are right about masks MaizieD and I bought all my family
N95 and respirator type masks to wear when going out - though some didn't wear them all the time.
I think we all did what we believe to be the best we could.

I spoke with friends in Italy and it sounded very scary. I am glad we took measures to avoid this (especially the first "wave") as much as possible.

I had long COVID, thankfully I'm better but still some issues. I've had all my COVID vaccinations and will continue to have them.

I thought the title of the OP was Reform supporting anti vaxxers.Therefore the posts have come way off .Can we get back to the original theme please.
The last thing that is needed is surely support of anti-vaxxers by anybody There were worrying articles last week about the poor take up of the MMR. I wonder who arranged for that particular speaker at the conference. I have read that the Health secretary in America is completely anti vaccinations. Do we really want to go down that route?

There is another post about the covid jabs

Yes, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is an anti-vaxer

Jerome Adams recently said there was confused vaccine policy and "chaos" at the Centre for Disease Control - he thinks Kennedy should be sacked.

Thank you westendgirl 👏 no we certainly don't want to go down that route!